Has Mel Gibson Gone Insane???

ChristyACB · #41 07/13/10, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

But why put it all on Gibson without knowing all the facts? Why didn't SHE WALK AWAY, MOVE OUT,
GET A DIVORCE ? Why was she living with him if that is the way he normally treated her? She is obviously pretty and had access to plenty of money and could have fled anywhere she wanted. I don't condone him hitting her at all, but it takes two to tango.

Poppy...do you really think that it is that easy for everyone? Read the backstory. He's the one with the money...a drunk abuser taking her baby? And that is just the beginning.

Sometimes people get trapped. She did the right thing. She got the proof the judge needed for the restraining order. Otherwise, she couldn't get one.

Oggie · #42 07/13/10, 06:23 PM

So, if her face wasn't there he just would have punched the air?

seedspreader · #43 07/13/10, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prismseed

He's from Australia, the whole prison colony that grew into a nation. Not to say every aussie is broken but it isn't so surprising when they are.

Your quips remind me of Mel sometimes... open mouth, insert foot.

palani · #44 07/13/10, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oggie

So, if her face wasn't there he just would have punched the air?

Has Mel Gibson Gone Insane??? - General Chat

poppy · #45 07/13/10, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristyACB

Poppy...do you really think that it is that easy for everyone? Read the backstory. He's the one with the money...a drunk abuser taking her baby? And that is just the beginning.

Sometimes people get trapped. She did the right thing. She got the proof the judge needed for the restraining order. Otherwise, she couldn't get one.

But restraining orders are useless. Many women are killed by men with restraining orders against them. If he is under the influence, he will ignore the order.

Common Tator · #46 07/13/10, 09:05 PM

I just heard some of his rant on the radio, and it really does sound like there may be some mental health issues there. I do hope he gets that checked out and treated.

Zipporah · #47 07/14/10, 11:43 AM

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I thought that everybody already knew he was insane...

ditto
I think he's in need of serious mental help.Good actor,but it looks like his personal life isn't too good.I don't think he has anyone left to insult.

Txsteader · #48 07/14/10, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Tator

I just heard some of his rant on the radio, and it really does sound like there may be some mental health issues there. I do hope he gets that checked out and treated.

No kidding! I'll concede that there are some truly evil/conniving women out there but that last rant sounds....unhinged.

Shygal · #49 07/14/10, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

But why put it all on Gibson without knowing all the facts? Why didn't SHE WALK AWAY, MOVE OUT,
GET A DIVORCE ? Why was she living with him if that is the way he normally treated her? She is obviously pretty and had access to plenty of money and could have fled anywhere she wanted. I don't condone him hitting her at all, but it takes two to tango.

Youve never been a battered woman. And you have no clue what they go through.

plowjockey · #50 07/14/10, 09:27 PM

Actually, they are a great couple. Venus and Mars.

He's a violent, drunken, psychopath and she is a conniving gold digger, with fake boobs, and a singing career going nowhere, who know exactly how to push his buttons.

When he supposedly punched her 7 month ago, she kept it from authorities to "protect Mel", but now that the child custody hearing is nearing, she is now all about getting a restraining order, contacting Police and leaking these JUICY tapes, to the hungry media.

He screams and threatens her, while she calmy sits there with the record button on. Not one of us of knows what was said during their converstations, that was NOT on the tapes. She may have been screaming and threatening him also. Tapes can be edited.

BTW there is NO excuse for Mel's behavior, in this situation. He needs to be locked in the looney bin.

There are pleny of abused women out there, but I'm having a really tough time buying into this. This women seems way to smart, IMO.

texican · #51 07/14/10, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shygal

Or maybe she got fed up with being a punching bag and recorded it so she had proof to get OUT of there and to get him what he deserves. Yeesh.

Youve heard that Russian women are slightly loony ??? Maybe you agree with him that women that get raped, deserve it, too.

Did I say that? Don't believe so.

I hate playing devils advocate... but did Mel have her chained up in a safe room? was Mel always home? did Mel have her under armed escort everywhere she went?

If not, she could have left anytime she wanted.

Around here, a woman gets 'touched' by a man, one of several things is going to happen. Most common is divorce, short and sweet... She calls the law, they come out and arrest him for assault, divorce goes through quick. Second thing that happens, with or without the first thing, is a male relative goes and has a mano y mano talk with the gentleman. If all goes smoothly, the gent leaves the house, and the county... If it doesn't go smoothly, it goes roughly, and the coroner is 'sometimes' called. Third thing that usually happens is a call to 911 or the Sheriff, telling them to come pick up the gent's body, as he assaulted the lady, and she aerated him. (happened before, and no bill in the grand jury).

My father had such a talk with an ex BIL. He was to pack his truck, be out the house by daylight, and if he was ever seen on any road nearby ever again, he'd get a face full of buckshot. The ex-BIL believed him, and never yet has he driven down that road again. (Pa took a licking for that event, as HIS boss's son was the BIL. Tried to fire him, but couldn't... pa knew where the company's skeletons were buried (gas company pipelines) and was irreplaceable).

We don't tolerate such b.s. down here (wife beating) I come near to having that talk with a current BIL a few years back (Pa is gone now, so I have certain brotherly duties to fulfill). He lapsed once, and only once... think he heard what the consequences were going to be. Around here, we carry folks fishing.... one way fishing trips.

Shygal, I've never met you, and doubt I ever will, but if you lived nearby, and were being put upon by unruly elements, I'd carry someone fishing... if the river was too low, I'd carry em hog hunting... hogs are always hungry, and leave nary a trace. You may consider me a conservative loon, and I very well may be (but did you know I have some so far into left field liberal views that I'm bumping back up against the Conservatives backsides?), but I'm also a Gentleman, and that comes 'fore EVERYthing else.

Boil it down. In an abusive relationship? Either leave and seek shelter elsewhere, or stay, and beat the ever living innards out of em, or just aerate em. If you have male relatives, at least ones with manly genes, they should do the 'explaining' for you. Reckon if someone had some very tough girlfriends, they could do the 'explaining'... I know some extremely 'hardy' ladies that could take care of whatever needed taking care of.

If the Russian girlfriend hasn't she should file charges... as far as I know, bruises and a loss of teeth should be enough evidence. Enough for a No Bill in this county, if you go legal, more'n enough for a fishing expedition if you want him to just go away. Endangering a child... well you get an extra good fishing trip!!!

Tracy Rimmer · #52 07/15/10, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Prismseed

He's from Australia, the whole prison colony that grew into a nation. Not to say every aussie is broken but it isn't so surprising when they are.

A lesser known fact is that just as many "criminals" were transported to North America as indentured servants and slave labor for criminal behavior -- not to mention just to get them OUT of Britain, as went to Australia. And people were transported for many reasons other than violent crime. Depending on the class you came from, pretty much anything could get you sent off. Many were transported simply for being poor.

Having known many, many Aussies in my time, I can honestly say that the "rough around the edges" thing is nothing more than a myth. There are few cultures as laid back and easy-going, on the whole, IMHO.

Dandish · #53 07/15/10, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by texican

Did I say that? Don't believe so.

I hate playing devils advocate... but did Mel have her chained up in a safe room? was Mel always home? did Mel have her under armed escort everywhere she went?

If not, she could have left anytime she wanted.

Around here, a woman gets 'touched' by a man, one of several things is going to happen. Most common is divorce, short and sweet... She calls the law, they come out and arrest him for assault, divorce goes through quick. Second thing that happens, with or without the first thing, is a male relative goes and has a mano y mano talk with the gentleman. If all goes smoothly, the gent leaves the house, and the county... If it doesn't go smoothly, it goes roughly, and the coroner is 'sometimes' called. Third thing that usually happens is a call to 911 or the Sheriff, telling them to come pick up the gent's body, as he assaulted the lady, and she aerated him. (happened before, and no bill in the grand jury).

My father had such a talk with an ex BIL. He was to pack his truck, be out the house by daylight, and if he was ever seen on any road nearby ever again, he'd get a face full of buckshot. The ex-BIL believed him, and never yet has he driven down that road again. (Pa took a licking for that event, as HIS boss's son was the BIL. Tried to fire him, but couldn't... pa knew where the company's skeletons were buried (gas company pipelines) and was irreplaceable).

We don't tolerate such b.s. down here (wife beating) I come near to having that talk with a current BIL a few years back (Pa is gone now, so I have certain brotherly duties to fulfill). He lapsed once, and only once... think he heard what the consequences were going to be. Around here, we carry folks fishing.... one way fishing trips.

Shygal, I've never met you, and doubt I ever will, but if you lived nearby, and were being put upon by unruly elements, I'd carry someone fishing... if the river was too low, I'd carry em hog hunting... hogs are always hungry, and leave nary a trace. You may consider me a conservative loon, and I very well may be (but did you know I have some so far into left field liberal views that I'm bumping back up against the Conservatives backsides?), but I'm also a Gentleman, and that comes 'fore EVERYthing else.

Boil it down. In an abusive relationship? Either leave and seek shelter elsewhere, or stay, and beat the ever living innards out of em, or just aerate em. If you have male relatives, at least ones with manly genes, they should do the 'explaining' for you. Reckon if someone had some very tough girlfriends, they could do the 'explaining'... I know some extremely 'hardy' ladies that could take care of whatever needed taking care of.

If the Russian girlfriend hasn't she should file charges... as far as I know, bruises and a loss of teeth should be enough evidence. Enough for a No Bill in this county, if you go legal, more'n enough for a fishing expedition if you want him to just go away. Endangering a child... well you get an extra good fishing trip!!!

Texican,

Sometimes I do think your posts are a bit "out there" - and not that it matters to you necessarily - but your posts on this thread have increased my respect for you immensely.

plowjockey · #54 07/15/10, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristyACB

Okay...a little more info and I truly hope this opens up the eyes of those defending this domestic abuser against a woman who "deserves it".

Keep in mind all this is "alleged", "apparently" and so on since it hasn't been through court yet.

This apparently had nothing to do with money. It, allegedly has everything to do with a restraining order.

She was getting beat to include two punches to the face hard enough to break off two teeth while she was holding their baby of a few months of age. Try to leave...he says he kill her and bury her in the yard and get away with it. She says she get the law...he says he'll use his money to take that child and she'll never see it with his money. She secretly calls a lawyer and guess what:

He's right. She has no proof and can't even get a restraining order.

She sticks a recorder on her phone and gets the proof.

She tells him she has the recording. Logically that means he can't kill her or take their child now.

He offers her 20 million to not release the tape. She releases the tape because it will help her get a restraining order, make it impossible for him to get away with killing her and gives proof from his own mouth that he was beating her, meaning he can't take the child.

Hmm....money grubbing? Not so much.

Deserved it? Because she didn't agree with him regarding an issue about the Nanny. Hardly think so.

Faking it? Ahh..not so much since he admits to battering her and threatens her repeatedly with beating and death during the phone.

Dad of the year? Nice slur on his own daughter there during the tape.

Let's just all agree that old Mel deserves no manly brotherly support here. He's clearly a troubled, violent and abusive person who needs a lot more than a slap on the wrist.

Is any of this (other than the recording) even fact?

In reality, if she was assulted in January, a call to Police (or TMZ) regardless of whether she could prove it or not, stating "My husband, Mel Gibson, just punched me in the mouth", whe would instantly be protected by a moat full of alligators, 24/7. She would have been untouchable - just like she is now.

Money?

In America, a woman can file for divorce, instantly get temporary alimony, take 1/2 or more of the assets and then make the husband pay for BOTH lawyers. No divorce lawyer in their right mind would turn this case down. It does not usually work this way with poor people, but rich people?

She knows exactly what she is doing.

tamilee · #55 07/15/10, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dandish

Texican,

Sometimes I do think your posts are a bit "out there" - and not that it matters to you necessarily - but your posts on this thread have increased my respect for you immensely.

Me too!

tamilee · #56 07/15/10, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Is any of this (other than the recording) even fact?

In reality, if she was assulted in January, a call to Police (or TMZ) regardless of whether she could prove it or not, stating "My husband, Mel Gibson, just punched me in the mouth", whe would instantly be protected by a moat full of alligators, 24/7. She would have been untouchable - just like she is now.

Money?

In America, a woman can file for divorce, instantly get temporary alimony, take 1/2 or more of the assets and then make the husband pay for BOTH lawyers. No divorce lawyer in their right mind would turn this case down. It does not usually work this way with poor people, but rich people?

She knows exactly what she is doing.

Good point. I heard a forensic expert on GMA today. He said that woman was using a "professional microphone" while Mel was on speaker phone. There were segments of the tape that had been deleted, or erased over.
At one point Mel was saying "All of you" and was obviously addressing more than one person.
I hope someone can find a link of the experts take on the tapes .
In an earlier tape he is berating her for having breast implants and then says he'll let her live in the house but won't give her the house. Hmm.
There is more to the story of these tapes than what we hear.

Common Tator · #57 07/15/10, 08:51 PM

If it turns out that the tapes were tampered with, I heard on the radio that they would be inadmissible in court.

poppy · #58 07/15/10, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Tator

If it turns out that the tapes were tampered with, I heard on the radio that they would be inadmissible in court.

But it is too late for Gibson. Look at how many on here already assume he is guilty and most will never change their minds even if the tapes are proven false. There is no doubt a woman in her position could find someone in the business to alter the tapes if she wanted. And now it turns out his soon to be wife of several years has said Gibson NEVER abused her or the children in all the years they were married and was a very loving father and husband.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/15/mel-gi...e-court-filed/

poppy · #59 07/15/10, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Tator

If it turns out that the tapes were tampered with, I heard on the radio that they would be inadmissible in court.

But would the law go after the woman for fraud or anything else? Not likely, but they should.

Common Tator · #60 07/15/10, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

But it is too late for Gibson. Look at how many on here already assume he is guilty and most will never change their minds even if the tapes are proven false. There is no doubt a woman in her position could find someone in the business to alter the tapes if she wanted. And now it turns out his soon to be wife of several years has said Gibson NEVER abused her or the children in all the years they were married and was a very loving father and husband.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/15/mel-gi...e-court-filed/

Yeah, I just read that hte ex-wife filed papers witht he courts saying he never abused her or the kids.