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Old 06/20/10, 08:58 AM
 
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Becca-when you have no intellectual basis for your adoration of the "new messiah" and you are most likely one of the paid DNC posters(yes they monitor these type sites and have paid posters to try to refute any facts about their incompetence)all that's left is to call Palin a retard.I di'nt vote for either party but I know Palin would have done a better job than the incompetent SockPuppet that Soros got elected....
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Zant - it was Prismseed, not Becca that provided the quote you are referring to.
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Old 06/20/10, 03:29 PM
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The Coast Guard official who asked apparently did not know how to even get a phone number for the BP contractor
There's no reason the BP contractor would need to be contacted.
He surely couldnt tell them if the boats had life preservers and fire extinguishers, or were properly licensed.

It's all BS by BO
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Old 06/20/10, 03:51 PM
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I sometimes wonder if this really was an accident.
Quote: You are correct and let's not forget-these are GOP states.

So just to get this, you think that this could actually be a plot by the Dem/Liberal/Progressives to do ? ? ?

I'm sorry, but that goes along the lines of those people who question 9/11 and offer gov't assistance in it...... at least to me it does.
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There's no reason the BP contractor would need to be contacted.
He surely couldnt tell them if the boats had life preservers and fire extinguishers, or were properly licensed.
Uh duh? It would be easier to dial, hey I need the figures for these boats, oh they're ...' that it would be to manually check every boat or acquire the materials to outright equip them. These aren't bathtub leisure boats these are tankers built to hold thousands and thousands of gallons. Not to mention Louisiana probably already has a sizable chunk of their cost guard mobilized and working on the spill. And the bureaucratic red tape to get funding to just out buy and give the equipment? Pffft when have you seen government paperwoork that didn't take atleast a week if not months? BP could have volunteered to do so, did they, heck no.
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and if BP can have paperwork out the wazoo to cover their own rear ends they should have this stuff documented.
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Old 06/20/10, 04:14 PM
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Uh duh? It would be easier to dial, hey I need the figures for these boats, oh they're ...' that it would be to manually check every boat or acquire the materials to outright equip them. These aren't bathtub leisure boats these are tankers built to hold thousands and thousands of gallons. Not to mention Louisiana probably already has a sizable chunk of their cost guard mobilized and working on the spill. And the bureaucratic red tape to get funding to just out buy and give the equipment? Pffft when have you seen government paperwoork that didn't take atleast a week if not months? BP could have volunteered to do so, did they, heck no.
Louisiana has its own Coast Guard?
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Uh duh? It would be easier to dial, hey I need the figures for these boats,
LOL Do you REALLY think a contractor would know what exact safety equipment they have on each boat?

He's probably never even SEEN the boats. He'd just be a paper pusher
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Quote: You are correct and let's not forget-these are GOP states.

So just to get this, you think that this could actually be a plot by the Dem/Liberal/Progressives to do ? ? ?

I'm sorry, but that goes along the lines of those people who question 9/11 and offer gov't assistance in it...... at least to me it does.
By Obama and his cronies-absolutely, I would not put Anything past them- nothing. The Dems in the congress and Senate, they are a different story, but they should be standing up to O and so should the Repubs. Haven't seen enough of that, except a few.
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By Obama and his cronies-absolutely, I would not put Anything past them- nothing. The Dems in the congress and Senate, they are a different story, but they should be standing up to O and so should the Repubs. Haven't seen enough of that, except a few.
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I talked to a man that had worked on lots of offshore rigs he said from what he has gathered they had took to many short cuts . Said it was either inexperience on the Co men & tool pusher part and setup to fail one or both .

Engineered crises at it's finest i would say . Some will never learn sheep don't count or play in the O W O tournament It is time to wake up and
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Quote: You are correct and let's not forget-these are GOP states.

So just to get this, you think that this could actually be a plot by the Dem/Liberal/Progressives to do ? ? ?

I'm sorry, but that goes along the lines of those people who question 9/11 and offer gov't assistance in it...... at least to me it does.
Not suggesting anything, but with Obama's mobster mentality, who knows what he's likely to do to get his agenda going again.
He's capable of anything but being a good president.
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Old 06/20/10, 09:23 PM
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Check this out,just got it.http://www.prisonplanet.com/states-n...oil-spill.html
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Uh duh? It would be easier to dial, hey I need the figures for these boats, oh they're ...' that it would be to manually check every boat or acquire the materials to outright equip them.
LOL.

Why would a contractor have "figures" on the number of life preservers and fire extinguishers on each boat?

The ONLY way to CONFIRM they are there is to BOARD and INSPECT each boat.
It's what the Coast Guard does for a living
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A Vessel Safety Check is a courtesy examination of your boat (Vessel) to verify the presence and condition of certain Safety Equipment required by State and the Federal regulations. The Vessel Examiner is a trained specialist and is a member of the United States Power Squadrons or the US Coast Guard Auxiliary. They will also make certain recommendations and discuss certain safety issues that will make you a safer boater.
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You know that the link you quoted pertains to small boats, and large commerical and industrial ships are an entirely different ballgame right?
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You know that the link you quoted pertains to small boats, and large commerical and industrial ships are an entirely different ballgame right?
No, there's really no difference at all
The Coast Guard still has to board the ships to CONFIRM the equipment is there.
They won't accept a piece of paper as confirmation

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Authority Over Commercial Uninspected Vessels (Other than Commercial Fishing Vessels). The U.S. Coast Guard conducts limited safety checks on "uninspected vessels." The Coast Guard has regulations dealing with, and conducts safety checks of, working conditions on commercial uninspected vessels involving personal flotation devices, lifesaving equipment, fire extinguishing equipment, fire fighting equipment, ventilation of engine bilges and fuel tank compartments, and back-fire traps/flame arresters on inboard engine carburetors using gasoline as a fuel. Any other working condition on board a commercial uninspected vessel is subject to OSHA authority
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The U.S. Coast Guard conducts limited safety checks on "uninspected vessels."
Also typically if it is anything remotely like the local DMV and inspections types its a few a day and generally an appointment made days, weeks, or months in advance. This was 16 barges, and by the end of the first day of the situation only 8 were still docked.

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How fast do you think you could manually check 16 barges for all that?

I've got a great low insurance rate on my car. It's a safety discount thanks to air bags, daytime lights, side airbags, antilock breaks yadayada. Did some jackalope personally inspect my car? Nope The dealership just faxed the invoice over to the insurance company. So why is it such a leap to expect people to be capable of doing the same with boats?
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Old 06/21/10, 11:21 AM
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How fast do you think you could manually check 16 barges for all that
None of those things were given as the reason for the hold up.


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I've got a great low insurance rate on my car. It's a safety discount thanks to air bags, daytime lights, side airbags, antilock breaks yadayada. Did some jackalope personally inspect my car? Nope The dealership just faxed the invoice over to the insurance company. So why is it such a leap to expect people to be capable of doing the same with boats
Because your car has nothing to do with this topic.
The INSTALLED equipment on a car is not the same as "lifesaving equipment" on a vessel
Use a little common sense

If you can't tell the difference between a car and a boat, you probably don't have the brains to be discussing this to begin with (Sound familiar?)
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Zant - it was Prismseed, not Becca that provided the quote you are referring to.
Thank you, sweetie! I know Zant has my back, though. Now I know you do, too.
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Old 06/23/10, 08:28 AM
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It's almost a feeling of intentially preventing the oil from reaching shore. Life vests aren't going to do those poor souls much good if they fall into that poisonous gunk.
You act like the oil is nuclear toxic goo. You all forget it is an all natural substance. Just rotten plants and animals.

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