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06/22/10, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by beowoulf90
I would hazard a guess that the "rule" is no firearms on school property, but the School Admin and teachers, superintendents have stretched the rule to include pictures, or making your hand and fingers into the shape of a gun...
So unless they have the Picture rule, they've got no standing and are just plain idiots for suspending the kid.. But then the liberal education system is famous for making an issue out of non-issues..
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I haven't seen the rule but from what little I have read about the case the school has a rule which covers anything which represents a firearm. This would include drawing, pictures and of course little toy soldiers.
I agree the rule is stupid but it is the rule and there is a "zero tolerance" policy. With such a rule and policy set by the board of education the individual school's hands were tied.
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Next paragraph,
Here again I would bet that if it was parents calling for the "zero tolerance" rules, it was only a few and not a majority. But again the liberal education system has made an issue out of a non-issue..
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If the majority didn't want the rule then they should have gone to the school board meeting and made sure it was not passed. If it were passed they should have made sure the next school board had members on it who changed it. I'm sure the majority of the parents did neither. Ever gone to a school board meeting? Most of the times very, very, very, very, very few parents are there to let the board know what they think. As the old saying goes, if you don't vote you ain't got no right to holler.
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Originally Posted by beowoulf90
Now as to our last paragraph..
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Judges can't stop the suit from being filed, but they can throw the suit out for being frivolous.
If the law says that a person can sue for damages resulting from their own stupidity then a lawsuit based on their own stupidity is not frivolous.
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Originally Posted by beowoulf90
While judges aren't suppose to make law from the bench, the liberal judges have and continue to do so.. This is why a lot of these frivolous suits have managed to get through the court systems..
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That and the fact that the tort system has become a lottery. If you sue you stand a chance of winning millions of dollars and if you lose you don't have to pay anything. This fact means a company is better off settling rather than going to court. So why not sue?
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So you are correct the laws do need to be changed. But up to this point that "ain't gonna happen" We also need to stop the judges from lying to the jury. It is legal for the jury to find a person not guilty if they think the law is wrong, but judges continually tell juries that they have to decide the case based on the law..
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I agree but IMO the system broken to the point where it may not be repairable. We well have to get another one. But fixing it or replacing it isn't going to happen as long as we have people voting based on what the guy will give ME once he's in office. The fault is not in the stars but in ourselves.
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06/22/10, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PyroDon
You folks really need to get off the its all the liberals fault kit , there were just as many if not more conservatives screaming Zero tollerence after Columbine.
In fact Zero tollerence is a conservative talking point zero on drugs and so forth three strikes .
Its not a liberal conservative thing PC is coming from extremes in both camps .
Im constantly being told by conservatives that Im evil because I have taught my kids to respect firearms and how to use them instead of keeping them under lock and key .
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Now THAT'S a riot. It's the lefties that are always pushing for gun control in Congress!
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06/22/10, 05:34 PM
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According to the link, the rule is "no weapons". Not "no firearms", not "no depictions of weapons or firearms".
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But the hat ran afoul of the district's no-weapons policy...
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I don't care how you look at it... a plastic soldier is less of a weapon than a sharpened pencil! Common sense MUST prevail at some point or idiocy takes over. This article is proof.
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06/22/10, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyDay
Now THAT'S a riot. It's the lefties that are always pushing for gun control in Congress!
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your wrong there the countries first gun control law was introed by the conservative,one of the countries first Concealed carry law was requested by Governor Ronald reagan. the brady bill was supported by reagan and GHB .
Go look at the voting records .
I wont deny that shummer backed them all but he's an idiot.
McCain backed a few himself
And the weapons ban around schools was sent to Clintons desk for signing by a republican congress .
Im not denying Dems have supported them as well but you folks are constantly trying to deny the conservative ever push for them and they do constantly as well . look at guglihitler and his stand on gun control in NYC he was one of you conservative candidates for president, look at fred T and his record on gun control. These were conservative golden boys .
Its not a liberal or conservative issue its politics and all politicians will support gun control if they think they can get by with it
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06/22/10, 10:19 PM
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Pyro, I believe there is some truth in your last sentence. But, and I don't have proof, I believe that there are more dems that side with the pro-gun side than there are conservatives that side with gun control folks.
I was thinking along the lines of FDR, the Kennedys, Dole, Clinton, and O-boy... all staunch advocates of gun control.
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06/22/10, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyDay
Pyro, I believe there is some truth in your last sentence. But, and I don't have proof, I believe that there are more dems that side with the pro-gun side than there are conservatives that side with gun control folks.
I was thinking along the lines of FDR, the Kennedys, Dole, Clinton, and O-boy... all staunch advocates of gun control.
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Think more along the lines of lincoln, J E Hoover, R Reagan, GHB and GWB
Not quite as obvious but look at their results
Hoover pushed through bans on automatics
Reagan pushed through laws banning concealed carry
GHB managed ammo restrictions
and GWB well look closely at the power given to regulatory agencies (providing for back door bans )
and these were supposed to be pro gun conservatives
doesnt matter which side they all want power and cant have it unless we are unarmed
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06/22/10, 11:28 PM
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Geeez, Pyro, between the two of us we've covered most of them! But, GWB did not want to take guns away from citizens. However, he did want to impose restrictions that I didn't like...background checks on everyone and have a waiting period... but, he wanted gun owners held responsible for their actions with guns. He thought people should be able to carry on public lands, etc.
For the most part, the people I mentioned wanted guns taken away from responsible people.
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06/23/10, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PyroDon
your wrong there the countries first gun control law was introed by the conservative,one of the countries first Concealed carry law was requested by Governor Ronald reagan. the brady bill was supported by reagan and GHB .
Go look at the voting records .
I wont deny that shummer backed them all but he's an idiot.
McCain backed a few himself
And the weapons ban around schools was sent to Clintons desk for signing by a republican congress .
Im not denying Dems have supported them as well but you folks are constantly trying to deny the conservative ever push for them and they do constantly as well . look at guglihitler and his stand on gun control in NYC he was one of you conservative candidates for president, look at fred T and his record on gun control. These were conservative golden boys .
Its not a liberal or conservative issue its politics and all politicians will support gun control if they think they can get by with it
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You blame everything on the dreaded conservatives.
Did you get beat up by a conservative girl in grade school or something?
You liberals want to control everybody's lives then deny it when you get your way.
If you are going to be a liberal and an Obama fan at least be man enough to admit liberal foolishness instead of blaming all your ills on the conservatives you fear so much.
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06/23/10, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by watcher
I haven't seen the rule but from what little I have read about the case the school has a rule which covers anything which represents a firearm. This would include drawing, pictures and of course little toy soldiers.
I agree the rule is stupid but it is the rule and there is a "zero tolerance" policy. With such a rule and policy set by the board of education the individual school's hands were tied.
If the majority didn't want the rule then they should have gone to the school board meeting and made sure it was not passed. If it were passed they should have made sure the next school board had members on it who changed it. I'm sure the majority of the parents did neither. Ever gone to a school board meeting? Most of the times very, very, very, very, very few parents are there to let the board know what they think. As the old saying goes, if you don't vote you ain't got no right to holler.
Judges can't stop the suit from being filed, but they can throw the suit out for being frivolous.
If the law says that a person can sue for damages resulting from their own stupidity then a lawsuit based on their own stupidity is not frivolous.
That and the fact that the tort system has become a lottery. If you sue you stand a chance of winning millions of dollars and if you lose you don't have to pay anything. This fact means a company is better off settling rather than going to court. So why not sue?
I agree but IMO the system broken to the point where it may not be repairable. We well have to get another one. But fixing it or replacing it isn't going to happen as long as we have people voting based on what the guy will give ME once he's in office. The fault is not in the stars but in ourselves.
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 Well it seems we are in agreement, just arguing/debating over semantics.
You are correct in saying it is a fault of some in our society, who would rather vote for what they are going to get, as to what is right.
Now for a final dig!
I would hazard a guess and say that most of those who vote for what they can get are liberals.. Nothing like getting other peoples money to spend.
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06/23/10, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornhusker
You blame everything on the dreaded conservatives.
Did you get beat up by a conservative girl in grade school or something?
You liberals want to control everybody's lives then deny it when you get your way.
If you are going to be a liberal and an Obama fan at least be man enough to admit liberal foolishness instead of blaming all your ills on the conservatives you fear so much.
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Are you unable to read ??
I have not denied that clinton signed the AWB or brady bill.
Nor have I denied that there are a number of dems that constantly push for gun control . the difference is they do so openly they arent like McCain and many other republicans that say how pro gun they are then vote for every gun control law that gets in front of them.
Unlike yourself I dont blame clinton and Obama for every ill thats happened in the last 40+ years . I give credit where its due .
Yes I blame reagan for three trillion in debt he left, I dont blame GHB for raising taxes because I knew at some point we would have to start paying on that debt , I also dont blame GHB for cutting the military in half which he did , but you ignore that and blame it on clinton just like you blamed clinton for the barracs bombing that took place under GHB.
I do blame clinton for signing the gun control that crossed his desk, I also blame him for expanding sneak and peek warrants and other civil rights violations .
And yes I do blame GWB for much of what was done under his admin , He was the CIC and gets the blame for what he allowed . Including adding 6 trillion to the national debt, passing HLS and the patriot act ,high jacking the war on terror to invade iraq. I also blame Obama for continuing HLS and the patriot act as well as expanding preventive detention and many other things .
You on the other hand are incapable of accepting that your guys have ever done anything wrong . Your too busy trying to defend them to look at what was done . It wasnt done by one side or the other it was done by both sides .
And for the record there isnt a single conservative in office and hasnt been since teddy Roosevelt was in the white house . There also hasnt been a liberal in office since the sixties
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06/23/10, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PyroDon
Are you unable to read ??
I have not denied that clinton signed the AWB or brady bill.
Nor have I denied that there are a number of dems that constantly push for gun control . the difference is they do so openly they arent like McCain and many other republicans that say how pro gun they are then vote for every gun control law that gets in front of them.
Unlike yourself I dont blame clinton and Obama for every ill thats happened in the last 40+ years . I give credit where its due .
Yes I blame reagan for three trillion in debt he left, I dont blame GHB for raising taxes because I knew at some point we would have to start paying on that debt , I also dont blame GHB for cutting the military in half which he did , but you ignore that and blame it on clinton just like you blamed clinton for the barracs bombing that took place under GHB.
I do blame clinton for signing the gun control that crossed his desk, I also blame him for expanding sneak and peek warrants and other civil rights violations .
And yes I do blame GWB for much of what was done under his admin , He was the CIC and gets the blame for what he allowed . Including adding 6 trillion to the national debt, passing HLS and the patriot act ,high jacking the war on terror to invade iraq. I also blame Obama for continuing HLS and the patriot act as well as expanding preventive detention and many other things .
You on the other hand are incapable of accepting that your guys have ever done anything wrong . Your too busy trying to defend them to look at what was done . It wasnt done by one side or the other it was done by both sides .
And for the record there isnt a single conservative in office and hasnt been since teddy Roosevelt was in the white house . There also hasnt been a liberal in office since the sixties
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Yes, I can read, I just don't fall for everything I read.
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