Man paralyzed after drinking raw milk

haypoint · #**141** 05/01/10, 05:27 PM

Thought it would never happen.
JeffNY sees the need for traceback!!!!
With the listeria in a bulk tank and no way to traceback to the farm that the listeria came from. Could it be that someone is seeing how going to the source of a disease/bacteria/comtamination is a way to resolve the problem?

At least with a milk plant there are only a thousand farms to trace back. With TB found at a slaughter plant, you'd have to test the whole state. Happened in Michigan.

The milk plant knows what farms their milk comes from. There is no national system to traceback cattle.

The government isn't representing US? Oh, that's right, the government works for the fat cats, big business and factory farms. But this isn't about class envy.................

Heritagefarm · #**142** 05/01/10, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

The government isn't representing US? Oh, that's right, the government works for the fat cats, big business and factory farms.

Actually, they do.

JeffNY · #**143** 05/01/10, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

Thought it would never happen.
JeffNY sees the need for traceback!!!!
With the listeria in a bulk tank and no way to traceback to the farm that the listeria came from. Could it be that someone is seeing how going to the source of a disease/bacteria/comtamination is a way to resolve the problem?

At least with a milk plant there are only a thousand farms to trace back. With TB found at a slaughter plant, you'd have to test the whole state. Happened in Michigan.

The milk plant knows what farms their milk comes from. There is no national system to traceback cattle.

The government isn't representing US? Oh, that's right, the government works for the fat cats, big business and factory farms. But this isn't about class envy.................

Wow, you do assume wayyyyy too much.. So someone has a milk bottle, they test it positive for listeria, they go back to the source and CANT find it, or where it came from.

Is that too hard for you to understand? your NAIS ploy aint gonna work, and even with NAIS the milk bottles aren't chipped, but maybe thats what you want.

Jeff

haypoint · #**144** 05/02/10, 04:45 PM

Milk sold in stores can be traced back to the plant and batch. Those numbers are right next to the fresh date. Chipped? Heck no. Traceable, dern straight.

Even in a worse case situation, the milk can be traced to the place of processing and only the hundred or so dairy farms would need to be tested. Even if the number exceeded a thousand, being able to know, right from the moment of detection, what farms contributed to the listeria or whatever.

Let's celebrate. Since the beginning of this thread, there haven't been any deaths connected directly to raw milk. Hee Hah. Maybe it is safe to drink commercially available raw milk.

JeffNY · #**145** 05/02/10, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

Milk sold in stores can be traced back to the plant and batch. Those numbers are right next to the fresh date. Chipped? Heck no. Traceable, dern straight.

Even in a worse case situation, the milk can be traced to the place of processing and only the hundred or so dairy farms would need to be tested. Even if the number exceeded a thousand, being able to know, right from the moment of detection, what farms contributed to the listeria or whatever.

Let's celebrate. Since the beginning of this thread, there haven't been any deaths connected directly to raw milk. Hee Hah. Maybe it is safe to drink commercially available raw milk.

Again, and you seem to have a hard time understanding this part. They trace the milk back to the plant, then can't figure out HOW it got into the milk...

They act like they know what they are doing, but they can't figure things out like "where did it come from?" They simply do not know.

Not only that, if pasteurized milk was safe, how did listera get into pasteurized milk? Seems its not all that safe.

Not any deaths from raw milk, but at 300,000 a year.. That means at a rate of roughly 820 a day, appx 10,000 have died from government approved prescription drugs. Amusing that you have so much concern over lives.. NOT.

Jeff

haypoint · #**146** 05/03/10, 07:24 AM

So lets allow raw milk and ban prescription drugs? But I'm the one that doesn't get it.

If there were a case with listeria in "pasturized" milk, there would be several things that happen. The records of each batch of milk would be checked to insure that proper pasturization times and temperatures were done. Every herd that contributed to that plant's milk supply would be checked. "Where did it come from" would be the focus of the investigation. The range of the search would be limited to just those herds and that plant. It is possible that no source would be found, but there is an easy way to inspect everybody, every cow and every process involved. Records kept by the dairy industry allow for rapid traceback to the source. Not so in the commercial meat segment of our food chain.

Anybody heard how that poor fellow is recovering?

willow_girl · #**147** 05/03/10, 07:31 AM

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[Not any deaths from raw milk, but at 300,000 a year.. That means at a rate of roughly 820 a day, appx 10,000 have died from government approved prescription drugs.

How many of those deaths were due to adulteration or contamination of those drugs? Because that's what we're talking about here. Otherwise, you're comparing apples to oranges.

JeffNY · #**148** 05/03/10, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

So lets allow raw milk and ban prescription drugs? But I'm the one that doesn't get it.

If there were a case with listeria in "pasturized" milk, there would be several things that happen. The records of each batch of milk would be checked to insure that proper pasturization times and temperatures were done. Every herd that contributed to that plant's milk supply would be checked. "Where did it come from" would be the focus of the investigation. The range of the search would be limited to just those herds and that plant. It is possible that no source would be found, but there is an easy way to inspect everybody, every cow and every process involved. Records kept by the dairy industry allow for rapid traceback to the source. Not so in the commercial meat segment of our food chain.

Anybody heard how that poor fellow is recovering?

Whoever said to "allow" raw milk? All I am asking is for some consistency in your arguments...

Speaking of which, why do you guys speak out against raw milk? Why not speak out against.

Raw meat.
Raw fruits.
Raw veggies.
Raw Eggs.
Raw Fish.

All of those things can be dangerous, veggies have caused people to become sick. Meat is sold, and there is nothing keeping people from eating it raw.. Same with fish.. Yet why are you guys so BENT on milk? Do you work for the government?

Jeff

willow_girl · #**149** 05/03/10, 12:11 PM

No. I work in the dairy industry, and I don't want to see milk sales drop if customers lose confidence in our products thanks to disease outbreaks or questionable marketing tactics.

JeffNY · #**150** 05/03/10, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

No. I work in the dairy industry, and I don't want to see milk sales drop if customers lose confidence in our products thanks to disease outbreaks or questionable marketing tactics.

In about 10 years at the rate things are going. I would expect milk products not being from dairy cows, atleast most of them. There are far WORSE problems that we need to worry about, other than little ol' Raw milk..

The government needs to do something to HELP farms, but they sit idle and let them fade away. There is more to this that Raw Milk. I would hope you know that.

Jeff

rosehaven · #**151** 10/22/10, 06:22 PM

my thyroid drug was reformulated and the maker NEVER told until many of the people ( thousands ) taking the drug had horrible reactions. Hmmm, many of us are going for a class-action suit. please don't tell me drugs are regulated as I'm one who suffered for their actions.

oh here's a post on Listeria in pasturized milk, go figure:

http://www.about-listeria.com/lister...outbreak-2007/

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