Man paralyzed after drinking raw milk

willow_girl · #**121** 04/27/10, 08:01 AM

So, Jeff, do two wrongs make a right?

Gercarson · #**122** 04/27/10, 09:21 AM

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And how do we know if it was actually the milk that paralyzed him? People drink raw milk all the time. What if he did something in conjuction that the report didn't mention?

Wonder if he had a "flu shot"? We have a local who is confined to a wheelchair for life because of a flu shot - his mind is pretty well gone too. Many even die from such a shot. You know, the "government" is still shrieking "crisis"!!! "crisis"!!! "crisis"!!! "crisis"!!! "crisis"!!! and urging EVERYONE to take such a shot.
BUT - don't drink "raw" milk - there is ONE person who became paralyzed from drinking it.

Gercarson · #**123** 04/27/10, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

So, Jeff, do two wrongs make a right?

Not answering for Jeff - but what the heck can something like this question EVER mean?
No, two wrongs do NOT make a right - one doesn't, nor do any number a liberal can come up with - no amount of wrongs can ever make a right - sort of like banning, banning, banning the rights of Americans - making them wards of the federal government's nannies who feel they can take better care of them than they can take care of themselves.

springvalley · #**124** 04/27/10, 12:14 PM

No, two wrongs don't make a right,,,,,,, but three left turns do!!

-Catherine

JeffNY · #**125** 04/28/10, 08:31 PM

Seems as if Willow has some skewed thinking. Whoever said two wrongs make a right? I am pointing out things that are far worse that none of the posters against raw milk mention, or ever gripe about. They act like they don't care. Again, the seem oriented towards big government, and things the government oks. But are against things that do not impact many people, and for that matter, some of the so called raw milk sicknesses are not always the raw milk, its reported as such due to the questioning at the hospital, singling out raw milk.

Let me ask this to those against raw milk. Do you think its ok for the government to allow the sale of Margarine? Found it interesting that its 1 molecule off from being plastic, it was fed to turkeys as a cheap feed, but killed them. It causes a 55% rise in heart disease, etc etc etc.

There are many things the government allows that cause health problems, yet the stuff they dont allow, seems to be fine. They dont allow the sale of those illegal drugs, because they dont want competition. We will NEVER see the cap on drugs, because they make more money, as drugs go up. Only takes an independent thinker to realize things, guess those for the government don't have the ability to think for themselves.. They singled themselves out nicely in this thread.

Jeff

willow_girl · #**126** 04/28/10, 10:07 PM

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Seems as if Willow has some skewed thinking. Whoever said two wrongs make a right?

You did, in making the case that because the government allows other things that can harm us, it ought to allow one more.

Actually, if the dangers associated with drinking raw milk were as well-publicized and widely known as, say, the dangers of tobacco use, I wouldn't have a problem with its sale. The consumer would indeed be making an informed decision.

However, at present we have a population that for generations has perceived milk as "safe."

I suspect it would only take a few disease outbreaks to "educate" them.

It will be interesting to see how things turn out in Wisconsin!

JeffNY · #**127** 04/29/10, 08:32 AM

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You did, in making the case that because the government allows other things that can harm us, it ought to allow one more.

Actually, if the dangers associated with drinking raw milk were as well-publicized and widely known as, say, the dangers of tobacco use, I wouldn't have a problem with its sale. The consumer would indeed be making an informed decision.

However, at present we have a population that for generations has perceived milk as "safe."

I suspect it would only take a few disease outbreaks to "educate" them.

It will be interesting to see how things turn out in Wisconsin!

Thats your assumption. Just because I can't help with what you assume, doesn't mean it is accurate. I was pointing out that there things that people should be MORE concerned about, yet they don't act it. I raise questions why it's alright for those things to go on? Yet those against raw milk act like thousands are dying, and its an epidemic, etc etc.

Again, you do know what assume means?

Jeff

jBlaze · #**128** 04/29/10, 06:20 PM

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Yous pays your money and yous takes your chances. This guy just rolled snake eyes.

If you want to drink raw milk go for it. But make sure you have enough insurance to pay if something like this goes wrong so I'm not forced to pay for your problems.

If I am forced to pay, which it looks like its heading that way, they I think I have a right to demand you not take such chances and demand the banning of raw milk sales and to make consumption of raw milk illegal.

Did you Really just say that?!!

jBlaze · #**129** 04/29/10, 06:23 PM

People been milking cows and goats for how many hundreds of years... how long has pasturization been around...
get a permit to breathe!

Heritagefarm · #**130** 04/29/10, 07:11 PM

A result of a sterilized environment is this whole topic...

JeffNY · #**131** 04/29/10, 08:54 PM

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People been milking cows and goats for how many hundreds of years... how long has pasturization been around...
get a permit to breathe!

Pasteurized milk has its problems, and I doubt you will hear any problems mentioned associated with it, because they don't want to point out the flaws with something "safe".

The attitude some farms have is that "Its getting pasteurized". I know I don't want to drink milk other than my own, after seeing some operations.

Same goes with raw milk, buy from clean operations. Tour the farm, check the cows, investigate their feed. I bet you can figure out which is what. I know of a farm near here that sickened a couple of people, or so they say (nothing became of it, probably couldn't trace it back). I do know of people who don't like the taste of the milk. Again they feed a TMR..

Investigate your source, it will keep you safe. Look, the veggies and fruits in a store sicken millions, yet people dont complain and keep on buying. Yet i bet farmers markets you wont see that.

Jeff

willow_girl · #**132** 04/29/10, 10:06 PM

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I was pointing out that there things that people should be MORE concerned about, yet they don't act it. I raise questions why it's alright for those things to go on?

The difference is that once a drug is found to cause harm (outside of the rare allergic reaction), it's generally pulled off the market, or not released in the first place.

We already know raw milk has the propensity to be unsafe, though. We don't need to make it widely available, and allow people to sickened, to discover that the general public probably shouldn't be consuming it. However, it seems that's the course some jurisdictions are taking. I'm reminded of the old saying, "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it."

JeffNY · #**133** 04/30/10, 09:01 AM

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The difference is that once a drug is found to cause harm (outside of the rare allergic reaction), it's generally pulled off the market, or not released in the first place.

We already know raw milk has the propensity to be unsafe, though. We don't need to make it widely available, and allow people to sickened, to discover that the general public probably shouldn't be consuming it. However, it seems that's the course some jurisdictions are taking. I'm reminded of the old saying, "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it."

So they pull drugs off the market after they are found to give complications? Is that why they have warning after warning with commericals selling drugs? I guess they pulled those too? With 300,000 dieing each year, its painfully obvious they aren't doing enough.

Failed attempt at passing it off, and again, the government makes money off of drugs, its why they let them sell.

Jeff

Heritagefarm · #**134** 04/30/10, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

We already know raw milk has the propensity to be unsafe, though. We don't need to make it widely available, and allow people to sickened, to discover that the general public probably shouldn't be consuming it. However, it seems that's the course some jurisdictions are taking. I'm reminded of the old saying, "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it."

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Originally Posted by JeffNY

, buy from clean operations. Tour the farm, check the cows, investigate their feed. I bet you can figure out which is what. I know of a farm near here that sickened a couple of people, or so they say (nothing became of it, probably couldn't trace it back). I do know of people who don't like the taste of the milk. Again they feed a TMR..

Investigate your source, it will keep you safe. Look, the veggies and fruits in a store sicken millions, yet people dont complain and keep on buying. Yet i bet farmers markets you wont see that.

Jeff

What Jeff said... And raw milk is a world better for you than pasteurized milk - for all it's worth, they have to put stuff back in it to make it somewhat complete again - and it tastes horrid. Persons with huge raw milk opperations probably have a greater likelihood of becoming unclean. Our small dairy stays clean easier because we only milk 12 goats - roughly equivalent to 2 cows.

frank · #**135** 04/30/10, 03:58 PM

Ernies' right... It's about time to go milk lillybelle... Man paralyzed after drinking raw milk - General Chat

Heritagefarm · #**136** 04/30/10, 10:44 PM

Erm, what?

DJ in WA · #**137** 05/01/10, 12:32 AM

I have come to realize that to some like Willow Girl, government is a religion. You just have to worship it and it will protect you from all perils. You've just got to believe!!!

triple divide · #**138** 05/01/10, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by watcher

Yous pays your money and yous takes your chances. This guy just rolled snake eyes.

If you want to drink raw milk go for it. But make sure you have enough insurance to pay if something like this goes wrong so I'm not forced to pay for your problems.

If I am forced to pay, which it looks like its heading that way, they I think I have a right to demand you not take such chances and demand the banning of raw milk sales and to make consumption of raw milk illegal.

I love the fact that under your handle you have "free the oppressed" in latin, which is, of course the Army SF's motto.

Combine that knowledge and this post text and the irony is beyond compare.

willow_girl · #**139** 05/01/10, 02:35 PM

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I have come to realize that to some like Willow Girl, government is a religion. You just have to worship it and it will protect you from all perils. You've just got to believe!!!

Government (at least here in America) is just "us." It's the collective will or wisdom of the people, plus the corporations (who are people, too, apparently!) and their lobbyists. :shrugs:

Actually, I have mixed feelings on this issue. Do we need (or should we have) laws to protect people from their own foolishness? Should we ban raw milk sales and require motorcycle-riders to wear helmets? The do-gooder in me says "yes," while my more cynical side says we might as well allow the herd to be thinned! So, caveat emptor, eh?

JeffNY · #**140** 05/01/10, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

Government (at least here in America) is just "us." It's the collective will or wisdom of the people, plus the corporations (who are people, too, apparently!) and their lobbyists. :shrugs:

Actually, I have mixed feelings on this issue. Do we need (or should we have) laws to protect people from their own foolishness? Should we ban raw milk sales and require motorcycle-riders to wear helmets? The do-gooder in me says "yes," while my more cynical side says we might as well allow the herd to be thinned! So, caveat emptor, eh?

The government is not "US" as it stands right now. Its THEM. Its painfully obvious, when you consider how they are running things. They do not do things for the better interest of the people, its for their bottom line.

As far as laws, restrictions, etc. Not sure if your aware of this, but there is something in the FDA's own rules and laws that states they dont test for listeria in raw milk. Ag and markets and the like decided to do such thing. Not to mention, the majority of the time that something happens, they have a real hard time tracing it back to the farm.

Was like a farm in Mass that they found listeria in PASTEURIZED milk. They went through the plant and could not figure out where it would have come from. Remember, its was pasteurized.

Jeff