Man paralyzed after drinking raw milk

naturelover · #41 04/21/10, 06:51 PM

Does your cousin drink milk?

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Gercarson · #42 04/21/10, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernie

Keep in mind that the entire point of this post was to support the "full government control of everything under the sun" agenda of many of the progressive liberals on this forum. It's part of their agenda.

Give that dog a bone!!!
That was the "entire point" of the op - careful folks!

Reptyle · #43 04/21/10, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by springvalley

Here we go again, those of us that drink and sell raw milk, choose to do so because this still is america. I do not want those of you to drink REAL milk that don`t want to, but allow me that right. This has been a hot topic on here before, and some are really going to make this look bad for those of us that sell raw "REAL" milk. How many people get sick and die from eating in restaurants each year. This is a risk we take if we choose to eat out, that is no different. I will argue this point till the cows come home, I still think that raw milk is safe on the most part, this farm bottles it`s own milk, which I think could be the problem to some degree. I don`t know , but I`m headed to the barn to milk, and bring some back to the house for lunch. And the wife is making butter from it today also, as I have said this is still the good ole U.S.A. and don`t take that right away from me. Thanks Marc P.S. Haypoint is going to eat this news up.

Wow, I never knew that by drinking pasteurized milk I was unAmerican.

Obviously drinking raw milk is the patriotic thing to do!!!

kendall j · #44 04/21/10, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

Since this is so important to you then it should be a good project for you. I would love to see you go look for those stats and then post them here for us. Please be sure to keep the stats you post as honest and unbiased as possible, especially free of your religious bias.

No, it's not good enough for you unless you are a suckling calf. God did not make cows to make milk for humans - god made cows to make milk for their calves to be suckled straight from the teat. Just as with all other mammals. All mammals get weaned off the teat after a specific period of time and then have no more access to milk - they are not supposed to have more milk after being weaned. The human digestive system is not designed to digest raw milk from other animals let alone from human milk after weaning. Humans are opportunistic and have taken advantage of the product of the cow but that's NOT what god intended milk for.

So please don't bring your religious beliefs into matters of human health.

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Since you are so obviously biased against religious reference, I will just use good old biology here. We can now digest milk into adulthood due to evolution. We have a specific gene that allows it. People lacking that gene are lactose intolerant.

Our digestive system's design is irrelevant when it comes to getting sick from raw milk or not. Cleanliness is the issue. If you are buying raw milk be careful and know your source. The conditions have to be clean to avoid contamination. Pasteurizing milk simply allows mass production under less than ideal conditions.

As many have pointed out, people get sick even with safeguards in place. So should we outlaw the regulated foods people still get sick from? I, for one, think that people should be able to purchase as they please and that risks and their consequences should be borne by the consumer and the seller. Liberals on the other had think that personal responsibility should play no part in decisions and people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves, thus all of the inane regulation we see in our lives. I'm not saying all regulation is bad, some is necessary, but some regulations are just plain stupid.

**Tiempo** · #45 04/21/10, 07:14 PM

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Keep in mind that the entire point of this post was to support the "full government control of everything under the sun" agenda of many of the progressive liberals on this forum. It's part of their agenda.

Funny Ernie is back!!!

kendall j · #46 04/21/10, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reptyle

Wow, I never knew that by drinking pasteurized milk I was unAmerican.

Obviously drinking raw milk is the patriotic thing to do!!!

You really got that from reading the post? The point being made was that having freedom of choice is American, not that pasteurized milk was somehow unAmerican.

Forerunner · #47 04/21/10, 07:34 PM

Now I've never been diagnosed or anything, but if it makes anybody here feel any better, you can blame all of my personal loose screws on the fact that I've been drinking (and preferring) raw milk from, first Dad's cows, and then my own, since I was old enough to start milking. Same goes for my progeny.

I'm with Ernie, as near usual..... give me my own or my neighbor's raw dairy products, but leave those mega dairies strictly alone.

springvalley · #48 04/21/10, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reptyle

Wow, I never knew that by drinking pasteurized milk I was unAmerican.

Obviously drinking raw milk is the patriotic thing to do!!!

Well here we go again, taking things out of context. I want you to be able to drink pasteurized milk, while allowing me to drink unpasteurized milk. Would you like to live someplace that they tell you what you can and can not eat or drink, watch on T.V., read a book, own a gun, own a house, go to whatever church you want to, what kind of car you drive, this is AMERICA land of the free, home of the brave. Just don`t mess with my right to own a cow and drink her milk. The

will hit the fan if you try to take that away from me. So I`m sure this will not be done, but thanks for now. Marc

WindowOrMirror · #49 04/21/10, 07:55 PM

"Man paralyzed after breathing in"

"Man paralyzed after eating carrots"

"Man paralyzed after being totally ambulatory"

Come on... one event preceding another doesn't equal causality. In answer to "why drink raw milk"... why eat farm fresh eggs? because I like them more and I can do what I WANT.

<shakes head>

R

JeffNY · #50 04/21/10, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oggie

And you source for that info is?

Look it up, its easily found by googleing it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 people die per year from prescription drugs. 5500 die per year from food borne illnesses. That can be found on the CDC site. They also break it down, and veggies are responsible for 35,000,000 sicknesses a year.

Jeff

wyld thang · #51 04/21/10, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

Since this is so important to you then it should be a good project for you. I would love to see you go look for those stats and then post them here for us. Please be sure to keep the stats you post as honest and unbiased as possible, especially free of your religious bias.

No, it's not good enough for you unless you are a suckling calf. God did not make cows to make milk for humans - god made cows to make milk for their calves to be suckled straight from the teat. Just as with all other mammals. All mammals get weaned off the teat after a specific period of time and then have no more access to milk - they are not supposed to have more milk after being weaned. The human digestive system is not designed to digest raw milk from other animals let alone from human milk after weaning. Humans are opportunistic and have taken advantage of the product of the cow but that's NOT what god intended milk for.

So please don't bring your religious beliefs into matters of human health.

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Aren't you kinda bringing your religious beliefs into this since you're saying God didn't intend(you say you know what God is/was thinking regarding milk) into matters of human health? or is knowing God's mind "not" religious?

There are plenty of people who can drink/eat milk just fine. I guess we shouldn't eat chicken eggs either? or caviar? or anything that comes from a seed since the seed was "intended" to become a new baby plant? or a tuber, rhizome or a squash flower? where does this intention end?

JeffNY · #52 04/21/10, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WindowOrMirror

"Man paralyzed after breathing in"

"Man paralyzed after eating carrots"

"Man paralyzed after being totally ambulatory"

Come on... one event preceding another doesn't equal causality. In answer to "why drink raw milk"... why eat farm fresh eggs? because I like them more and I can do what I WANT.

<shakes head>

R

Thats because the certain bunch that post against raw milk, along with the government doesn't want you doing what you want to do. If someone wants to buy raw milk, they should be able to do so. If people are willing to take the risk to eat ANYTHING. They are agreeing to a contract that its THEY who took the risk, and its not the farmer that MADE them do it..

Why is it ok for companies to sell products that kill people, yet the farmer is hammered on as if he is running a detention camp.

Jeff

Ernie · #53 04/21/10, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffNY

Look it up, its easily found by googleing it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 people die per year from prescription drugs. 5500 die per year from food borne illnesses. That can be found on the CDC site. They also break it down, and veggies are responsible for 35,000,000 sicknesses a year.

Jeff

I've seen that breakdown before. What surprised me most from it was that more people die being squished underneath falling VENDING MACHINES than from shark attacks.

Now I hear the theme from Jaws in my mind every time I pass by a vending machine.

springvalley · #54 04/21/10, 08:34 PM

Ernie, I think were going to need a bigger boat, He He , ain`t life fun, I can see it now, two guys pull into a parking lot, they get out ,one says to the other I have the white stuff, you got the cash? They open their car trunks, one driver hands over a small amount of cash, the other hands over two bottles of raw milk. Think it won`t happen, think again. God Bless America, Thanks Marc

Oggie · #55 04/21/10, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffNY

Look it up, its easily found by googleing it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 people die per year from prescription drugs. 5500 die per year from food borne illnesses. That can be found on the CDC site. They also break it down, and veggies are responsible for 35,000,000 sicknesses a year.

Jeff

I did look it up. What I found said about 32,000.

naturelover · #56 04/21/10, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wyld thang

Aren't you kinda bringing your religious beliefs into this since you're saying God didn't intend(you say you know what God is/was thinking regarding milk) into matters of human health? or is knowing God's mind "not" religious?

Okay, point taken. It just really annoys me when people toss god around as an excuse for why it's okay for them to do the things they do because that's what they want to do.

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wyld thang · #57 04/21/10, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

Okay, point taken. It just really annoys me when people toss god around as an excuse for why it's okay for them to do the things they do because that's what they want to do.

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I totally agree

but not about the milk part

Reptyle · #58 04/21/10, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kendall j

You really got that from reading the post? The point being made was that having freedom of choice is American, not that pasteurized milk was somehow unAmerican.

Hey, that's pretty good...I didn't even see springvalley's lips move...tell me, where exactly does he stick his hand when he wants you to speak on his behalf?

Reptyle · #59 04/21/10, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by springvalley

Well here we go again,

This is like a catchphrase for you, isn't it?

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Here we go again, those of us that drink and sell raw milk, choose to do so because this still is america.

BTW, what would this country be if we people couldn't drink, and sell, raw milk? And, if we're going to be patriotic, should the name of the continent be capitalized? Additionally, Is this an American thing, or is it a U.S. citizen thing?

Lemme guess, "You can have my dairy cow, when you pry her from my cold, dead, hand."

springvalley · #60 04/21/10, 09:37 PM

Thats kinda rude Reptyle, He does make a good point though, don`t we all have the right to do what we want? back at ya. Marc