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Old 09/19/13, 10:09 AM
 
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We keep telling them, "We do not like the way things are going." They say, "Yes, I see your point." and go right pack to doing what they were doing in the first place!

If you want to effect a change...change congress! Once they are in that nice comfortable position they will do almost anything to stay there.

So how do you get them out? Start a movement in your state to only vote for someone that has signed a written pledge to bring to the floor of Congress a bill to limit the terms of office every time congress convenes. You do not want a carer politician, just someone you can trust.

If we can get 2/3 in, we can effect a change. Given how many people on both sides of the line are mad at the gov; that may not be as hard as you may think.

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Old 09/19/13, 11:04 AM
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Are you joking or are you really seriously thinking of doing that? If you are serious then legally you need to ask the HT owners if they want this forum to be associated with the trucker's strike and ask for their permission for you to represent Homesteading Today and to paint the HT name/logo on your truck. You will need to do that because the Homesteading Today forum is a licensed business and their business name and logo are copyrighted.
Ya, on second thought that might offend the BIG Government Lovers on here.
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Ya, on second thought that might offend the BIG Government Lovers on here.
Though I wince to admit it, Paumon is right (though I have a slightly different take on it).

HomesteadingToday is a mixed bag. We do not represent any sort of consistent ideology. There are people in the chicken or goat forum who have no interest at all in politics and certainly not in this endeavor.

What right does anyone have to shanghai them into any individual political movement?

You might be HORRIFIED (as I would be too) if you ever saw a sign at a pro-abortion rally that said, "HomesteadingToday supports women's reproductive rights".

Feel free to start your own "Homesteaders to Bring Down DC" movement, and I'll join right in with you as member #2.
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Old 09/19/13, 12:20 PM
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As I said, I would not want to connect any Big Government lover with something like Freedom.

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Old 09/19/13, 01:42 PM
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Sinse you asked, I only asked a question about internet "rules' on posting a picture, because I had no Idea. Other people got in a fuss.
I was only jokeing about posting HT on the truck, but would Put "not for hire" as Truckers involved in the protest would know what it meens. My truck does not run on "gas".
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Old 09/19/13, 01:49 PM
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Because I'm not against the trucker's strike against the government. If the owners of Homesteading Today want to promote and advocate the trucker's strike against the government that is fine with me. It will not reflect on me one whit. But does the business called Homesteading Today want to have their property used to promote and advocate for a trucker's strike against the government? The very least she can do is ask HT's permission to use their property instead of stealing it.
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so all the milk and eggs spoil, and that benefits people HOW? govt is going to do WHAT to help you? Sounds like a pointless circle jerk to me.

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Independent truckers are too independent to cooperate and make something like this happen. One hundred truckers each being the boss would not work too well.

If the truckers want to make a statement, parking their trucks for 4 or 5 days would do it. A sort of truckers "blue flu". Blocking traffic not so much.

If nothing else I would think truckers would be objecting to fuel prices.

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There is a forum (Political, General Chat or maybe Countryside Family) for debating whether it’s right or wrong outlook. Have at it. We need a place to be able to bring forward issues, reports of what is happening in the Government, which makes it political, but not for political debating (Political forum); or Laws being made by Dept of that messes with farming; or required immunizations that people do not want; social agenda classes in schools, etc. and discuss the what ifs this is correct; not showing us how wrong we are. If we are wrong, so what; nothing is gone except we are more ready to stand up to anything less that comes our way. If you don’t believe any of this, or think we are silly or wrong – great, but if anything happens – I hope you are ready. So, please leave us alone and let us discuss; we don’t need your correction or poking fun at us.
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Old 09/19/13, 04:23 PM
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I don't think the rally is a bad idea, or that anyone is wrong as far as this is concerned.

As I said earlier, I think rising up and making your voice heard is good, I just think this rally's organizers need to define and clarify their message and desired outcome if they are to have any success.

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Old 09/19/13, 05:25 PM
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Independent truckers are too independent to cooperate and make something like this happen. One hundred truckers each being the boss would not work too well.

If the truckers want to make a statement, parking their trucks for 4 or 5 days would do it. A sort of truckers "blue flu". Blocking traffic not so much.

If nothing else I would think truckers would be objecting to fuel prices.
With a fuel surcharge fuel prices are moot, if your careful you can even make pretty substantial money off the surcharge.

Hours of service are hot right now we just had a rule change on july 1st.

These things come out about once a year but nothing ever seems to go beyond talk. To much mioney involved, chance to run into regulatory trouble and loose your authority, that crap of putting not for hire on the truck ain't going to cut it.
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I don't think the rally is a bad idea, or that anyone is wrong as far as this is concerned.

As I said earlier, I think rising up and making your voice heard is good, I just think this rally's organizers need to define and clarify their message and desired outcome if they are to have any success.
That would be something of a problem, each trucker has his own issues and complaints!

You try to pair it down to a couple you loose all your base. Most good owner operators wouldnt have any part of this they aint cutting their own throats...lol, and most marginal o/o's can't afford it.
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What exactly is the goal?

I looked at the FB page, there's no real mission statement just general things they don't like.

They need a clearly defined mission statement including a clarification of their goals and how they expect to see them accomplished.

What they have now is, "let's drive to DC because we don't like.. stuff"...it's almost as washy as the occupy movement and a complete waste of time unless they get someone to organize who knows how.
That's what you are gonna get with grass roots. Probably every one who goes will have a little different reason for doing so. These people didn't fall in behind a central leader, they joined up because they were going the same general direction, ya know?

Hope they have a good turnout and make some of those politicians and bureaucrats sit up and pay attention. They are long overdue for a reminder about who's the boss.
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These people didn't fall in behind a central leader, they joined up because they were going the same general direction, ya know?
IDK, it got started and is moving behind a FB page, but the FB page is very vague about the goal(s).

I noticed quite a few supporters on the page asking what the message is.
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IF they've defined the goals of "defund Obamacare" and whatever the other ones were, then I think it's a great idea and I do wish them well. I'd even throw in some of my own money to help with fuel costs if it's organized and there's a "message" other than "Look what we can do".

I just don't think that a vague message of "Look what we can do" is good because EVERY side of all the issues can claim that it's supporting their side(except for the 'congress should control more stuff and do whatever it likes' crowd... which I'm afraid is probably most of Congress".

You can jump up and down about "LOok what I've sacrificed!!" and insult people who won't agree with a vague group of people maybe doing something... but if you want support from people, you need a message so they know they DO support you. Then you DON'T have to rely on just truckers, you can get people to donate fuel costs, you can get the company owners to release drivers for the shut down/protest. If it's just about "who's diddle is bigger" on a forum, great. But if it's really about causing a message to be heard, there's got to be a message for the public to see.

Defund Obamacare. Congress HAS to start doing it's job. The government HAS to stop bullying the American people with legislation meant to only control and not to help. If anything can get those messages out and to make Congress pay attention, I'm all for it.

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Old 09/19/13, 08:15 PM
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I was thinking about this while closing up the coops and I'm of the opinion now that the days of these kinds of mass protests making a difference are over.

The reason is, they are not novel any more, there have been too many. It seems every weekend it's a million this or a million that. All they are now are logistics issues for the city.

I imagine a random R/D critter looking out of the rear tinted window in between glancing at his watch and asking his driver to find way to step on it James, I have a 1pm at Chez Pom Pom and Chef Pierre doesn't take kindly to no shows.

Maybe, just maybe he'll ask James what this particular fuss is about and James will inform him that the people are unhappy. R/D critter will, with a sigh of frustration about his lunch reservation mumble to James that he already knows that and kindly call ahead to Chez Pom Pom and tell them he may be a little late.

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Pretty sure I was outspoken against the OWS message, but supported their right to assemble, I do the same here, no clear message, no clear goal, no way to actually tie the message together etc. Now if those truckers vow to hook their rigs to the pillars of every federal building in DC and not move (i.e. yes I am advocating true obstruction not destruction) and actually inconvenience the members of congress then, maybe that would achieve something.

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DO tell me what you are doing or what your plans are to get the country back. Or is it as long as no one bothers you the hell with the country
How do we take something back, we never had?

If people wanted Obama out (which is what this is mostly about) maybe they should have voted.

Me personally, I'm waiting to take a random drug test and since I have bills to pay, will then start my. 15 hour work day, most of it behind the wheel of a big truck.

If people want change, they need influence. Protest does nothing. Just ask OWS.
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How do we take something back, we never had?

If people wanted Obama out (which is what this is mostly about) maybe they should have voted.

Me personally, I'm waiting to take a random drug test and since I have bills to pay, will then start my. 15 hour work day, most of it behind the wheel of a big truck.

If people want change, they need influence. Protest does nothing. Just ask OWS.
Actualy ask those of us that marched on DC. They ignored us. The media helped ignore the reason why many did not Vote also. And ,yes, many of the Repubs are ignoreing us too.
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