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We keep telling them, "We do not like the way things are going." They say, "Yes, I see your point." and go right pack to doing what they were doing in the first place!

If you want to effect a change...change congress! Once they are in that nice comfortable position they will do almost anything to stay there.

So how do you get them out? Start a movement in your state to only vote for someone that has signed a written pledge to bring to the floor of Congress a bill to limit the terms of office every time congress convenes. You do not want a carer politician, just someone you can trust.

If we can get 2/3 in, we can effect a change. Given how many people on both sides of the line are mad at the gov; that may not be as hard as you may think.

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Are you joking or are you really seriously thinking of doing that? If you are serious then legally you need to ask the HT owners if they want this forum to be associated with the trucker's strike and ask for their permission for you to represent Homesteading Today and to paint the HT name/logo on your truck. You will need to do that because the Homesteading Today forum is a licensed business and their business name and logo are copyrighted.
Ya, on second thought that might offend the BIG Government Lovers on here.
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Ya, on second thought that might offend the BIG Government Lovers on here.
Though I wince to admit it, Paumon is right (though I have a slightly different take on it).

HomesteadingToday is a mixed bag. We do not represent any sort of consistent ideology. There are people in the chicken or goat forum who have no interest at all in politics and certainly not in this endeavor.

What right does anyone have to shanghai them into any individual political movement?

You might be HORRIFIED (as I would be too) if you ever saw a sign at a pro-abortion rally that said, "HomesteadingToday supports women's reproductive rights".

Feel free to start your own "Homesteaders to Bring Down DC" movement, and I'll join right in with you as member #2.
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As I said, I would not want to connect any Big Government lover with something like Freedom.

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Sinse you asked, I only asked a question about internet "rules' on posting a picture, because I had no Idea. Other people got in a fuss.
I was only jokeing about posting HT on the truck, but would Put "not for hire" as Truckers involved in the protest would know what it meens. My truck does not run on "gas".
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Because I'm not against the trucker's strike against the government. If the owners of Homesteading Today want to promote and advocate the trucker's strike against the government that is fine with me. It will not reflect on me one whit. But does the business called Homesteading Today want to have their property used to promote and advocate for a trucker's strike against the government? The very least she can do is ask HT's permission to use their property instead of stealing it.
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so all the milk and eggs spoil, and that benefits people HOW? govt is going to do WHAT to help you? Sounds like a pointless circle jerk to me.

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Independent truckers are too independent to cooperate and make something like this happen. One hundred truckers each being the boss would not work too well.

If the truckers want to make a statement, parking their trucks for 4 or 5 days would do it. A sort of truckers "blue flu". Blocking traffic not so much.

If nothing else I would think truckers would be objecting to fuel prices.

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I don't think the rally is a bad idea, or that anyone is wrong as far as this is concerned.

As I said earlier, I think rising up and making your voice heard is good, I just think this rally's organizers need to define and clarify their message and desired outcome if they are to have any success.

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Independent truckers are too independent to cooperate and make something like this happen. One hundred truckers each being the boss would not work too well.

If the truckers want to make a statement, parking their trucks for 4 or 5 days would do it. A sort of truckers "blue flu". Blocking traffic not so much.

If nothing else I would think truckers would be objecting to fuel prices.
With a fuel surcharge fuel prices are moot, if your careful you can even make pretty substantial money off the surcharge.

Hours of service are hot right now we just had a rule change on july 1st.

These things come out about once a year but nothing ever seems to go beyond talk. To much mioney involved, chance to run into regulatory trouble and loose your authority, that crap of putting not for hire on the truck ain't going to cut it.
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I don't think the rally is a bad idea, or that anyone is wrong as far as this is concerned.

As I said earlier, I think rising up and making your voice heard is good, I just think this rally's organizers need to define and clarify their message and desired outcome if they are to have any success.
That would be something of a problem, each trucker has his own issues and complaints!

You try to pair it down to a couple you loose all your base. Most good owner operators wouldnt have any part of this they aint cutting their own throats...lol, and most marginal o/o's can't afford it.
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What exactly is the goal?

I looked at the FB page, there's no real mission statement just general things they don't like.

They need a clearly defined mission statement including a clarification of their goals and how they expect to see them accomplished.

What they have now is, "let's drive to DC because we don't like.. stuff"...it's almost as washy as the occupy movement and a complete waste of time unless they get someone to organize who knows how.
That's what you are gonna get with grass roots. Probably every one who goes will have a little different reason for doing so. These people didn't fall in behind a central leader, they joined up because they were going the same general direction, ya know?

Hope they have a good turnout and make some of those politicians and bureaucrats sit up and pay attention. They are long overdue for a reminder about who's the boss.
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These people didn't fall in behind a central leader, they joined up because they were going the same general direction, ya know?
IDK, it got started and is moving behind a FB page, but the FB page is very vague about the goal(s).

I noticed quite a few supporters on the page asking what the message is.
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IF they've defined the goals of "defund Obamacare" and whatever the other ones were, then I think it's a great idea and I do wish them well. I'd even throw in some of my own money to help with fuel costs if it's organized and there's a "message" other than "Look what we can do".

I just don't think that a vague message of "Look what we can do" is good because EVERY side of all the issues can claim that it's supporting their side(except for the 'congress should control more stuff and do whatever it likes' crowd... which I'm afraid is probably most of Congress".

You can jump up and down about "LOok what I've sacrificed!!" and insult people who won't agree with a vague group of people maybe doing something... but if you want support from people, you need a message so they know they DO support you. Then you DON'T have to rely on just truckers, you can get people to donate fuel costs, you can get the company owners to release drivers for the shut down/protest. If it's just about "who's diddle is bigger" on a forum, great. But if it's really about causing a message to be heard, there's got to be a message for the public to see.

Defund Obamacare. Congress HAS to start doing it's job. The government HAS to stop bullying the American people with legislation meant to only control and not to help. If anything can get those messages out and to make Congress pay attention, I'm all for it.

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I was thinking about this while closing up the coops and I'm of the opinion now that the days of these kinds of mass protests making a difference are over.

The reason is, they are not novel any more, there have been too many. It seems every weekend it's a million this or a million that. All they are now are logistics issues for the city.

I imagine a random R/D critter looking out of the rear tinted window in between glancing at his watch and asking his driver to find way to step on it James, I have a 1pm at Chez Pom Pom and Chef Pierre doesn't take kindly to no shows.

Maybe, just maybe he'll ask James what this particular fuss is about and James will inform him that the people are unhappy. R/D critter will, with a sigh of frustration about his lunch reservation mumble to James that he already knows that and kindly call ahead to Chez Pom Pom and tell them he may be a little late.

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Pretty sure I was outspoken against the OWS message, but supported their right to assemble, I do the same here, no clear message, no clear goal, no way to actually tie the message together etc. Now if those truckers vow to hook their rigs to the pillars of every federal building in DC and not move (i.e. yes I am advocating true obstruction not destruction) and actually inconvenience the members of congress then, maybe that would achieve something.

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DO tell me what you are doing or what your plans are to get the country back. Or is it as long as no one bothers you the hell with the country
How do we take something back, we never had?

If people wanted Obama out (which is what this is mostly about) maybe they should have voted.

Me personally, I'm waiting to take a random drug test and since I have bills to pay, will then start my. 15 hour work day, most of it behind the wheel of a big truck.

If people want change, they need influence. Protest does nothing. Just ask OWS.
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How do we take something back, we never had?

If people wanted Obama out (which is what this is mostly about) maybe they should have voted.

Me personally, I'm waiting to take a random drug test and since I have bills to pay, will then start my. 15 hour work day, most of it behind the wheel of a big truck.

If people want change, they need influence. Protest does nothing. Just ask OWS.
Actualy ask those of us that marched on DC. They ignored us. The media helped ignore the reason why many did not Vote also. And ,yes, many of the Repubs are ignoreing us too.
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Actualy ask those of us that marched on DC. They ignored us. The media helped ignore the reason why many did not Vote also. And ,yes, many of the Repubs are ignoreing us too.
For sure, just like they ignored OWS. People chanting and blocking traffic, means nothing, in 2013.

I honestly don't know what to say about people who let the media decide, whether they vote, or not. One thing was certain, Romney was not Obama, but those who chose not to vote, chose Obama, by default.

Fwiw, during the last gun debate, both the Dems and the GOP absolutely did not ignore the influence of the NRA, which was my point.
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Yup, I voted against Obama and so should have those that didn't vote at all. I sure did see a lot of the ows crew on tv tho-must have been because they were so disgusting, the people like me that marched,we were too clean,quiet,decient people,boring stuff in todays world.

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In the recent article 1 Million Truckers to Protest Obama by Shutting America Down for 3 Days in October, I reported the Facebook page, Truckers to Shut Down America, was urging truckers to drive to DC October 11-13, 2013 and Americans to boycott in support of the truck drivers by ceasing all money transactions for those days. At the time of that article, the site had little over 10,000 likes. I wanted to provide an update.
Three days after I wrote about the march, the site has garnered over 67,000 likes and new developments have arisen that could only have happened due to the overwhelming support for our hard working truck driving friends.
Many Americans are supporting the 18 wheel drivers rolling to DC by pledging to boycott those three days by staying home and avoiding all money transactions for those days. But, individuals are not the only ones who have come out in support of this endeavor. A few members with Indiana Overpass for Obama's Impeachment are offering to pay for hotel rooms and a meal or two for the truckers.

A truck stop in Baton Rouge, LA is offering 50 gallons of free fuel to the first 20 truckers that come by their establishment with pictures showing their rig in DC during those three days.

There has even been a post from a man in Germany, written in German, supporting the million trucker march to DC.
Truck drivers are posting pictures of themselves with their trucks and indicating whether they will shut down and stay home or shut down for the drive to DC.

A reprint of the Freedom Outpost article appeared on the Daily Paul. The Blaze posted an article the day after Freedom Outpost and Fox News picked up that article and scrolled the information in their news ticker.
A new Facebook page popped up, Canadian Truckers to Shut Down, suggesting that Canadian counterparts show their support for their American trucking brothers and sisters by shutting down as well on the same days and either stay home or drive to Toronto. That site has over 1,700 likes.
Two radio shows are urging truck drivers to call in to discuss the important issues. The Guerilla Media Network is asking truck drivers only to identify the most important issues beside fuel prices that drivers would like to see changed by calling Pete Santilli. The site provides the number for the live radio show. For those reading that are truckers, the number is (828) 738-6588. The Pete Santilli show is broadcast daily at 10 AM PST/ 12 PM CST/ 1 PM EST.
The other radio show is hosted by Glenn Beck. The posting had appeared about phoning Glenn Beck earlier today, but now it has become difficult to find. The site is receiving thousands of posts daily. Admins of the site are trying to respond to all posts and verify all information.
Goods travel throughout the US 7 days a week, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year. While goods are moved by rail, air and ship, it takes a truck to get those goods from seaports, train depots and air cargo ports to distribution centers then their final destination at a store near you. If you go to the store to buy something, more than likely a truck driver and his rig delivered it. The job they do provides the stored with the goods we purchase.
These men and women are willing to stake three days of their livelihood to protest the corruption in Washington. Enough notice has been given for individuals to stock up on items for those three days and extra due to the time it will take for goods to reach their destination after the boycott. Medication is usually dispensed for 30 day intervals so make sure you get your refills prior to October 11. To support the truck drivers and join in, individuals can cease all money transactions for those three days.
I say We the People can make a difference! Keep passing the word America. Our family trucking company is rolling to DC. Hopefully, we see some of you on the side of the road cheering us on!
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Hello Truckers and Patriots, Craig and I finally got the donation page up and running. I apologize for the delay but I have never had a donation page. Also I will do a daily account of how much has been donated. Truckers that need help with fuel and other expense will need to call me. I will post the number tomorrow after I find me an ObamaPhone just kiddin I will get a prepay phone just for this event.

Tomorrow I will work on the press release with the list of demands for the Truckers. I have posted several time what the Truckers want beside lower diesel prices. At least we don't have to worry about the UN-Constitutional Obamacare. This site is only 5 days old, their is a lot going on in support of it. I will have conformations in the next few days...please be patient I know you have question and you will get them but the Truckers going to DC I am working it out where they will be within the law and not get in trouble with DOT we have a plan that drivers will not be violating the law.

You know God created this earth it took him 6 days to get everything we needed to live and he is the all powerful. I am not. I want you to know that I am putting it all on the line also I am constantly attacked and slandered, It made me realize that we are on a good Mission because the establishment fears The Truckers Power that are backed by the American people. Keep the faith and don't take your eye off the ball. I am spending my own money because we need hope for our future to thrive and not merely survive.

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I think it's nice if some Canadian truckers will make a show of support to American truckers but October 11-14, 2013 will be Thanksgiving long weekend in Canada, an important statutory holiday. Maybe a few local Ontario truckers without close families will show up in Toronto but I don't think many family persons would show up. Not on a Thanksgiving weekend and to risk the unholy wrath of their families for not being at home on Thanksgiving if they're not at work on the road! Oh no.

Hell hath no fury like a Canadian wife and mother or grandmother scorned on Canadian Thanksgiving.
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That would be enough to scare anyone! I hear some of the Southern USA Mom's are of a similar nature.
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That would be enough to scare anyone! I hear some of the Southern USA Mom's are of a similar nature.
If it was something my husband thought was important I'd forgive him for missing Thanksgiving dinner.
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If it was something my husband thought was important I'd forgive him for missing Thanksgiving dinner.

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If it was something my husband thought was important I'd forgive him for missing Thanksgiving dinner.
I'm sure you probably would. You're an American wife living in America and the American trucker's strike is an important American cause to many Americans.

But it's not really a Canadian cause so to the majority of Canadian families the American trucker's strike won't be important enough to take precedence over the Canadian Thanksgiving family obligations. Any Canadians going into Toronto or on strike that weekend would be making a greater sacrifice for another country's cause. Thanksgiving in Canada is a big deal, a 4 day long weekend which is a very, very important family and community event and tradition and usually involves more than one dinner and large numbers of people at more than just one place.

So it won't matter how important a show of support might be to Canadian truck drivers, if they are family men/women it still won't be as important as family obligations nor an important enough reason to their families who don't have a dog in the American fight and who won't let their family member truckers off the hook without never letting them hear the end of it (especially from the mothers).

There won't be many truckers on the road that weekend anyway because it's a stat holiday, and most of those who are on the road will be working overtime for extra money delivering extra order turkeys and hams and other goodies to supermarkets.

So ..... any Canadians who do take unpaid strike time off work or show up in Toronto as a show of support will be putting in extra effort and making a financial sacrifice for an American cause. I can pretty much guarantee you most of them will be single drivers with no close family obligations to hold them back and no family wrath to face.
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All participants in The Ride For The Constitution. I will post a link for and open discussion in the next few days on the details of the Convoy. Keep on Trucking and Godspeed! That includes pickup trucks and cars behind the convoy.
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