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04/16/13, 10:25 AM
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Too many fat quarters...
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Originally Posted by Shygal
Nodak its not a fact, its a belief. Its written in a book that has been written by man and translated and retranslated by man.
You may believe that but it does not make it a fact
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Very true.
Because if it weren't, there'd be no need for faith.
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04/16/13, 10:58 AM
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de oppresso liber
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Originally Posted by willow_girl
If that's your mindset, you might as well save your breath for cooling your oatmeal. Paul says if what you do isn't done with love, you're wasting your time. 
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If there was no love I would not ask. As someone pointed out they would not tell someone they don't know they should stop smoking. Why? Because there is no 'love' for a stranger.
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04/16/13, 11:01 AM
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I have been an admirer and partial practitioner of Buddhism for several decades ever since I was exposed to it while living in Thailand and I think a lot of the great religions of the world could learn a thing or two from Buddhist teachings. Buddhists respect and accept other religions and do not try to convert, only to explain when asked and they base their teachings on a strong moral code and personal conduct.
There has never in the history of the world ever been a war based on Buddhism; perhaps that alone is something to think about.
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04/16/13, 01:49 PM
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1/2 bubble off plumb
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Did I miss it? Did Longhorngirl ever come back and give a "how things went" report?
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04/16/13, 05:21 PM
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"Where two people gather in my name, there will I be also" - I think that's how the quote goes.
Whether you're in the "right" church or the "wrong" church, the "true" church or the "false" church, you're human and a lot of what you say or believe isn't going to be entirely accurate. Only God knows the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
The church I went to as a child was really interesting. They believed a lot of wrong things. A lot of good things happened because of that church - and it wasn't the people's beliefs which made them happen. God was there, because we were gathered in His name, and He did His work.
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04/16/13, 10:10 PM
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And I know without a shadow of doubt that this is not true. Perhaps it is true of those that follow christianity but I know, KNOW, that it is not true of others.
Muslims and Hindu and Buddhists and Pagans and Jewish people and Shinto, etc are not all going to hell. Heaven is not just for christians. I know your faith teaches you that and I respect that. But mine teaches otherwise, and I know that is not true.
No one KNOWS if someone is going to hell, only God knows what happens after we pass this life. You cannot take the part of God.
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A man named Arthur Pink grew up in England. He was raised in a Christian home but became very interested in theosophy which involved communications (supposedly) with the dead. He became heavily involved with that teaching and even became one of the leaders. His father would often warn him of the path he had taken away from the One True God.. One day his father quoted the words of Proverbs 14:12 to his son as he was retiring to his bedroom after one of his spiritism meetings. " There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
The words impacted the young man deeply and he stayed in his room for three days under God's conviction. He was scheduled to speak at a large Spiritism meeting at the end of those days of seclusion and he kept his appointment and went. At the meeting he stood before his fellow Spiritists and preached the gospel. What seemeth right is not always right. We can be deceived.
Paul was not looking for Jesus that day he met Him on the Damascus Road. When he met the risen and glorified Savior, he was on his way to arrest and persecute Christians. The Lord revealed himself to Paul in a vision of glory blinding him until the Lord healed him through one of his servants. Paul discovered who Jesus really was. Paul was feared by all the Christians. Paul obeyed the Lord from that time on.
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For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 4:6
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If you want to read the story in more detail, here it is:
http://www.evangelical-times.org/arc...ment-with-God/
May God be pleased to shine His light into your heart.
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04/20/13, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ErinP
Ah.
So it's not really Muslims that call for the extermination of other faiths, rather certain Middle Eastern cultures.
Hence my confusion.
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These are all examples of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim dominated countries
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...l-8563600.html
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Originally Posted by Thomas Gallowglass
Amoung the things I've learned in life are these two tidbits...
1) don't put trust into how politicians explain things
2) you are likely to bleed if you base your actions upon 'hope'...
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04/20/13, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Elffriend
I get that Christians are commanded to spread the word about Jesus. What I don't get is why in this day and age, especially in 1st world nations, they think there are any adults who haven't already heard about him. Wouldn't it be better to go as a missionary to someplace where they haven't heard of Jesus?
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Perhaps because in some (read Muslim dominated sharia law countries) this is a death sentence?
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Originally Posted by Thomas Gallowglass
Amoung the things I've learned in life are these two tidbits...
1) don't put trust into how politicians explain things
2) you are likely to bleed if you base your actions upon 'hope'...
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Last edited by Riverdale; 04/20/13 at 06:53 AM.
Reason: removing a wrong quote
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04/20/13, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by watcher
If you loved someone and they were smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day would you not try to convince them to stop smoking even if it annoyed them some? Actually that is the business of any true Christian. What kind of a Christian would a person be if they went around not trying to prevent other's from going to Hell?
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There is evidence that smoking is bad for your health. There is no evidence that hell even exists.
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04/20/13, 07:04 AM
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I have never been the most religious person over the course of my life. I went to church regularly for the first 35 years of my life.
A (allegedelly) religious ex had something to do with my disillusion, but that is a whole different story.....
I am a student of history. Currently reading the history of Byzantium. I just finished a history of the Crusades (including the Baltic and against the heretics).
just sayin'
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Roger
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Originally Posted by Thomas Gallowglass
Amoung the things I've learned in life are these two tidbits...
1) don't put trust into how politicians explain things
2) you are likely to bleed if you base your actions upon 'hope'...
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04/20/13, 07:34 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: East Tenn.
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Originally Posted by Riverdale
I have never been the most religious person over the course of my life. I went to church regularly for the first 35 years of my life.
A (allegedelly) religious ex had something to do with my disillusion, but that is a whole different story.....
I am a student of history. Currently reading the history of Byzantium. I just finished a history of the Crusades (including the Baltic and against the heretics).
just sayin'
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Don't know what you are reading. I generally don't trust anything written after the late 1800's. Just wondering if you are finding any surprises in your current reading.??
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04/20/13, 07:57 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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Originally Posted by Vernitta
As Christians we are told to witness to others and bring people to Christ. For some reason some people think the way to do that is with debating. I get the impression he's one of those. I'll never understand those kinds of people. Maybe, it's because I don't like debating.
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Actually, I think you're being over-generous here. A debate requires some back-and-forth, and generally requires that one's position be supported by some sort of demonstrable evidence. This situation isn't a debate, because it seems to involve little more than a single assertion, by one party, that cannot be proven (or debated), because it is based on non-demonstrable evidence (his own belief).
He can't "prove" he's right (and you can't "prove" he's wrong), so there's no actual debate here. I'm not saying that faith isn't important, or belief doesn't matter, but it nonetheless can't be empirically proven. Like love, it's vital element in human life, but you can't measure it in any objective way, so it just isn't debatable.
We have a neighbor like this--a guy who runs right over our "yes, we attend X church, and are comfortable there" and continues to push his brand of God at us. I had to rather clearly explain that he is welcome at our house, so long as he treats us as neighbors, and not potential converts. He has not returned.
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04/21/13, 01:06 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
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PLEASE!!! what happened with the chicks?
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