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Originally Posted by cathleenc

Obama and Obamacare are steps in the right direction.

Originally Posted by AngieM2

the only thing I can think of is to either make a job for himself (yard care, handy man, etc) or find a 2nd less than 30 hour a week job if possible.

Originally Posted by cathleenc

I think to blame Obama or Obamacare for this sort of stuff is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by cathleenc

Obama and Obamacare are steps in the right direction.

Originally Posted by CaliannG

Ummm, this is not new.

In the 80's, when I was a kid working a minimum wage job at whatever burger place would have me, they wouldn't let my hours go above 32, because I would then be "full time" and they were required, by law, to at least offer me group insurance.

In the late 90's and 2000's, my kids were working whatever minimum wage job would have them, and complained that their hours were kept under 32, because over that, by law, companies are required to offer group health insurance.

Hubby gets laid off, and flips between unemployment, and working whatever job he can find. Lands a position at Home Depot. They keep him under 32 hours a week, because.......??

Ya'll are reading propaganda again, and thinking it is a new thing and you can pin something else on 'the OTHER party'. Stop it.

It has been Federal Law for as long as I have been working (30 years now) that weekly hours over 32 is full time employment, and full time employees of companies that employ over X number (200, 500, don't remember) are required, by law, to be offered group health insurance.

Not that any of ya'll will listen to this.

Originally Posted by Trixie

Yes, when I worked in a fabric store, I told them I wanted full time. I was surprised when I saw my schedule and it was only 32 hours. They said that is considered full time now.

That was 20 years ago.

That is not in defense of the healthcare bill. I think it is an abomination.

I also think it is very foolish of us to think the 'other side' didn't have as much to do with it as this President and congress did.

Large corporate hospitals have been buying up little hospitals all over Texas, getting the locals to help finance new hospitals, or redo hospitals. They have set up clinics, and the doctors most all work for the hospital now.

In this little town, there are only 2 private practice doctors now, of course, they have to use the hospitals, so I think it is only a matter of time.

My husband and son's doctor was once a most sensible doctor. He didn't give medication if there was another way, he didn't charge an arm and a leg. When the corporate hospital took over, everything changed. The hospital does his billing now, an the prices have gone up. He has hired a PA who loves to prescribe medication - the more expensive the better.

I think this was all being put in place in anticipation of the passage of this bill - it's been in the works for a very long time.

Originally Posted by CaliannG

Not saying anything for or against the ACA. I think it has been talked to death already, and if 33 attempts to repeal it have gotten no-where, I am fairly certain that it is here to stay.

But, I am seeing a lot of things about it that are patently false lately, and it bugs the heck out of me that so many are putting me in the position of seemingly defending the ACA when in all actuality, all I am pointing out is that their, particular little picture or bit of propaganda happens to be untrue.

Companies have always attempted to keep minimum wage workers, especially in retail, under 32 hours per week to avoid offering health insurance. That hasn't changed. Trying to blame it on Obamacare now when it has been going on for decades is, at best, misinformed and, at worse, deliberately misleading.

The Medical Incise Tax is ONLY on certain medical items, it is NOT across the board. It is not even supposed to apply to retail purchases at all. So the latest, viral image of a Canela's receipt showing it (Cabela's in a gun store) on the purchase of a holster and firearm is in error. Obamacare is not taxing your guns.

There are plenty of TRUTHFUL things wrong with many pieces of our legislation....why do people have to resort to UNtruthful things to complain about it?

I wish folks would stop it, because I don't like seeming to defend something when my only difficulty with the person's opinion is that they are spreading a lie in the wish to support it.

Originally Posted by Joshie

Originally Posted by watcher

You are correct BUT I can't remember a time in history where major companies were changing full time workers to part time en mass. AAMOF, in the past it was cheaper to one employee over time than hire two workers to do the job. That's because of all the 'hidden' cost of an employee. In case you didn't know it the amount a company pays you is only a fraction of what you cost it.

Originally Posted by watcher

You do realize that major parts of obamacare haven't even taken effect yet don't you? Heck, there's things in there we don't even know about yet.

Originally Posted by CaliannG

~smiles~ I am familiar with the costs of employees. Worked for a couple of corps where it was my job to be familiar with the cost of employees.

But you see the problem here takes into account your second quote below: The Federal requirement of full time employment dropping to 30 hours from 32 hours does not take effect until January 1st, 2014.

So someone saying that a person had their hours dropped to 29 per week so that their company did not have to offer them insurance as a full time employee this week, in 2013, due to Obamacare, is patently false.



YOU may not know all of the things in the ACA that have yet to take effect, but *I* certainly do. I have read all 2,770 long, boring, dry, monotonous pages of the dang thing...and if I do not wish to go back and re-read it (for fear of becoming permanently sedated) to grab particular points that may have slipped my mind, there is a nice government site with everything that has taken effect, or will take effect, and when, all arranged in nice, neat bullet points.

Originally Posted by Bob Huntress

"Obama and Obamacare are steps in the right direction."

If your goal is a complete dictatorship, where the government decides what medical care one recieves and who lives or dies, a world where no one is able to acheive in life because the government will rob him of all profits or where we are only free to worship what the government allows, then I could see how Obama & Obamacare would be a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

I heard a talk news guy on the radio today say that he's not going to do business with companies or business people that supported Obama. Interesting concept.

Originally Posted by CaliannG

~smiles~ I am familiar with the costs of employees. Worked for a couple of corps where it was my job to be familiar with the cost of employees.

But you see the problem here takes into account your second quote below: The Federal requirement of full time employment dropping to 30 hours from 32 hours does not take effect until January 1st, 2014.

So someone saying that a person had their hours dropped to 29 per week so that their company did not have to offer them insurance as a full time employee this week, in 2013, due to Obamacare, is patently false.

Originally Posted by CaliannG

YOU may not know all of the things in the ACA that have yet to take effect, but *I* certainly do. I have read all 2,770 long, boring, dry, monotonous pages of the dang thing...and if I do not wish to go back and re-read it (for fear of becoming permanently sedated) to grab particular points that may have slipped my mind, there is a nice government site with everything that has taken effect, or will take effect, and when, all arranged in nice, neat bullet points.

Originally Posted by cathleenc

I think to blame Obama or Obamacare for this sort of stuff is ridiculous.

Obama and Obamacare are steps in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

I doubt his life will change much.... coz I dont know of any companies or business people that supported Obama. His support came primarily from government workers and those who live off handouts.

Originally Posted by watcher

Hum. . .so Darden Restaurants, Inc with about 180,000 employees is wrong when it says " Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) — will begin fining employers for not providing basic health coverage to full time employees starting January 1, 2014"?

If they are wrong I'd think the press would be all over them yet I haven't heard a peep.