Think twice about the HPV vaccine !!

not to mention the fact that many men have asymptomatic HPV and transmit it unknowingly to their partners.

I think it's really sad that many of the people who don't want to take any RX's or vaccines developed and well researched, and tested, by the pharmaceutical companies but they sing the praises of natural "compounds" and supplements that usually made and sold without any type of testing or controls. And they treat their children with them and try to convince others to use them.

If you don't want to give vaccines to your children that is your choice, and to some extent your child is protected by those that vaccinate theirs, but it is really not responsible to try to convince others to do the same thing, IMO. Do you really want to be responsible for someones child getting sick or dying?

I don't think you younger parents really realize what you are doing. I had polio the summer before the vaccine was released as did two of my brothers. The results have been with us for a lifetime. We were lucky we lived, many children didn't. While the vaccines do cause reactions in a very few people, the diseases they prevent hurt many, many more.

Yep.

It worked for me and it will work for others, it doesn`t work all the time. Choice is all we have left, and right now that is an American right. As far as polio, my father also had polio, sent some time in the hospital, and made a full recovery and lived to be 89. He was one of the lucky ones. > Thanks Marc

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NickyBlade,

What is the percentage of young marrieds that have NEVER had sex prior to marriage with a partner other than the person they are marrying these days...do you know, does your daughter know??

Pretty darned low, that is all I can say.

Annie

I think tetanus is a valid and useful vaccine and so is polio. Smallpox has been eradicated, so the vaccine is no longer necessary, but it was a great vaccine.
The pertussis vaccine is dangerous, and is not used in many parts of the world or is used at a later age. It has the highest rate of problems of any vaccine. Bordatella isn't that dangerous compared to tetanus, and I don't' think the vaccine is a safe enough to even consider especially in people over age 5. Even at a younger age, I wouldn't get it for my child.
There are too many vaccines on the market. Not all are bad, but if it is for a disease that doesn't really hurt people it isn't worth the risk.

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Except if you have the misfortune of being raped, molested, or otherwise abused.

I once worked with a patient who died from HPV. She acquired it from having oral sex forced on her by her father and developed huge papillomas in her upper airway which eventually spread to her trachea. She required a tracheostomy due to the obstruction caused by the lesions. She ended up bleeding out and essentially drowning in her own blood when they tried to resect some of the growing papillomas. BTW, she was married. I guess the time wasn't quite right for her, huh?

It's not just some inconvenience you have to put up with and certainly is not something you should be judged about having. People acquire illness from many different ways, and it is nobody's business how they acquire it.

You certainly have the right to decide what kind of medical treatment your children receive, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you have any control whatsoever about what happens in their sexual lives (by their own choosing or not) unless you lock them up by themselves 24/7.

Percentages do NOT matter at all! You can't be 5% virgin! You either are or you aren't. I'm not a druggy. I do not use drugs at all. Should I consider myself 50% druggy just because other people do?

My daughter reads her Bible on her own, gets straight As in school, all of her teachers love her, is a leader not a follower, has no enemies, makes her own choices, and has her own morals and values. You'd be blessed to know her and I have no idea what I did right for God to bless me as her mother. And you bet that she doesn't want to marry a man who's been with someone before her. That would be a deal breaker for her. And it SHOULD BE a deal breaker for anyone who believes that it is IMPORTANT to save yourself. We're not only supposed to read the Bible, we are meant to live by it.

And BTW, I am not the only one on here that said I did not get the shot for my girls, so why am I being singled out?

Yeah, well. I was pretty danged smug about saving virginity for marriage. That didn't stop my husband from giving me HPV. Assuming that only hot-loined, promiscuous young people can get HPV is probably a prime factor behind its spread. As far as I can tell, men never get tested for it unless they are symptomatic and have enough sense to ask their doctor what that wart is.

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I'm really sorry that happened to you, chamoisee. I don't assume anything, only that HPV is spread by sexual contact.

The more times I read this, the more it bothers me. Where did I imply that I felt that way at all?

My point in myself testing negative is that you can still get cervical cancer without having HPV... and that it's possible to test negative even if you possibly have it.

Ignoring the rest of your post, I am wondering who appointed you to this job, who is paying you and how the heck do we get you fired?

And why would you think that anyone cares whether or not your daughter gets her ears pierced. Unless you have some kind of belief that ear piercing has a negative impact on a girl not keeping her knees together?

It could lead to dancing.

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Less barking! More wagging!

It's the whole "abstinence only"...the implication seems to be that since the children of the posters here are being raised differently, righteously, they won't catch HPV and don't need the vaccine. I did that, and I got it, from the rotten husband I'd saved myself for! The end result of this train of thought seems to be that if women catch HPV and develop cervical cancer, it's their own fault for being oversexed and not celibate.

And then there's the whole "daughters keeping their legs together" thing, yet another instance of boys will be boys, but girls better act like frigidaires (suddenly to blossom when they get married??? I don't think it works that way!!). If the boys have it, they will spread it, and the incidence of HPV is so incredibly high that generally, people who have had sex have it, unless both they and their partner have only, ever been with one another and neither one has ever been molested or raped. The self righteous overtones are very disturbing.

I should mention: I have only one daughter. All FIVE boys have either had or will have the HPV vaccine, not just her. HPV doesn't have the same double standards that people do.

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Not all cervical cancer is caused by HPV and HPV does not always give someone cervical cancer.

There are also strains of HPV not covered by the vaccine that can still infect and cause cancer as well. Those strains just aren't as common right now or are less likely to lead to cancer.

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my 14 year old son got the last of the series of three injections last month. No pain, just a tiny bit sore where the needle went in just like any other intramuscular injection. We discussed him getting it when it was offered it, and he decided he wanted it (I was already for it). He knows it can prevent him passing a disease to his wife and kill her. And yes, we do teach abstinence, but I am also a realist.

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Worldwide, it's about 5%. That's only 1 in 20 of you women who get HPV will get cervical cancer. Maybe half million of you? Just a drop in the bucket among the billions.

Attitude on this forum is that the general population has been pampered so long that they are no longer able to handle minor ailments and diseases. How about starting a campaign to eliminate all medications other than those which you can find in your back yard? Promote letting things go back to the natural system of survival of the fittest. Pharmaceutical scientists and the companies that employ them saved my butt a number of times. Anybody think that that was wrong of them? Certainly not I!

Another thing, everyone hates anything that may be remotely connected to causing cancer no matter if substantiated or not. Here we have something that is substantiated as preventing cancer and it is also hated. Something just doesn't compute there.

Martin

What are "we" doing, exactly? Oh, I see, putting multitudes of children at risk of getting sick or dying, including our own. What compounds and supplements are you talking about?


This, "Well, just don't marry a person who had premarital sex, like a GOOD christian!" and tack on an "It's my job to get you people thinking" and I'm just- what on EARTH is going on here?

I hope most parents read on their own and don't just lockstep with whatever they're told is best. It's a hard decision whichever side you fall on. Go for vaccines, hope they work and your kid isn't one of the ones injured terribly by them, or skip them because you've read many a study that suggests they are ineffective at best, harmful at worst? Either way, it's a difficult choice. Respect for each side is generally a decent idea that requires little forethought, however.

Seriously? What is this.... school Nicky on the "realities" of the world day? Dishonest people can't imagine people being honest. Untrustworthy people can't imagine people who are trustworthy. These responses say more about the people who wrote them than they do about me. I asked that you quit calling me out specifically because I was NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID I'M NOT GETTING THE SHOT FOR MY GIRLS!

No, no, no, Nicky, don't quit just because some members are trying to live up to the HT motto of neighborly help and friendly advice. We're not dealing with chicken pox here. Studies have proved that virginity and abstinence are not a sure bet that HPV will not be contacted. That does happen to be one where a mere handshake is sufficient to transmit it. The saving grace is that it is also something that can go away by itself within 24 months but nobody yet knows certain if it is gone forever or merely in remission. Any couple has every right to decide if they wish to bring another living being into this world and the right to decide upon much of that child's welfare to the age of 18. What gets a little foggy is the right to also make that child's entire life miserable by parental neglect or inaction during those years.

I remember when the first major DPT shots came out, 3 visits and 3 different colors. I screamed when I was told that I needed a third one. One was too late as I already had had pertussis. With a sister-in-law having had polio, I was close to the front of the line for the first installment of SoS. When the first flu vaccine came out, again it was I who was gungho to get it and I was sicker than any dog should ever be for 3 weeks! But I was the exception. I was young and could fight it while at the same time knowing that those shots were saving the lives of many whose systems could not combat the actual flu. But during that time I was not one who was going around advising everyone to get a flu shot!

Many ancient cultures had ritual sacrifices as a very important part of their civilizations. If one person dies so that a thousand may live, is that not better than 1,001 dying? One person has a reaction to a shot. So what's the big deal when probably 10% of the world's population is allergic to something or another anyway? If there's a reaction to the HPV vaccine, accept it as something natural rather than blaming the vaccine. It's not the fault of the vaccine but the fault of the individual's genetics. For that, you'd only have the parents to blame and that cycles around to the parents being responsible for the welfare of their children.

Martin