Think twice about the HPV vaccine !!

HOTW · #21 10/16/12, 03:40 PM

I have no idea how good the sites were I just did a search an dpulled those up. A few years ago when they wanted to make it law I did a lot of research and decided against it for my daughter. I feel people should have choice when it comes to vaccines. I have had all 3 of th ecommon chilchood diseases we now vaccinate against(measles, german measles and chickenpox) an dI am fine! Do I feel my kids have th esam e healthy immune systemI dont know but I will allow them ot make the choice for thiemselves about certain vaccines and for thie rkids, just like I have made the choice for them.I had 2 kids who had CP and 1 who had the vaccine now she has to have a booster...guess hte vaccine wasnt as good as I was told when she was a baby.

TxHorseMom · #22 10/16/12, 04:32 PM

I agree, I was/am leary of new drugs. Nowadays, people are "pushing" the FDA to approve drugs faster. That is never a good idea.

When the vaccine first came out, I didn't like the idea of it. I did NOT get my daughters vaccinated. When they get older, they can decide for themselves if they want the vaccine. It is my understanding that the govt has exempted drug companies from being sued regarding vaccines (other drugs, yes)

When Yaz came out, I didn't like that drug either. IMO it is not a good idea to "mess with" nature too much. In this case, only having a period a few times a year or not at all. Guess what, there are all kinds of lawsuits going on regarding this drug. It seems to me that not enough common sense is being used when new drugs some on the market.

ai731 · #23 10/16/12, 04:33 PM

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I have had all 3 of th ecommon chilchood diseases we now vaccinate against(measles, german measles and chickenpox) an dI am fine!

But I bet you haven't had smallpox, polio, diptheria, tetnus, or whooping cough... Only because you and all the people before you who were vaccinated against these deadly diseases. Diseases (excepting smallpox, thank God!) which still kill tens of thousands of children in developing countries every year...

LisaInN.Idaho · #24 10/16/12, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TxHorseMom

When Yaz came out, I didn't like that drug either. IMO it is not a good idea to "mess with" nature too much. In this case, only having a period a few times a year or not at all. Guess what, there are all kinds of lawsuits going on regarding this drug. It seems to me that not enough common sense is being used when new drugs some on the market.

Actually, it's far more natural for women to have very few periods because of continuous pregnancy and breast feeding.

jen74145 · #25 10/16/12, 05:02 PM

How many times are we going to beat this horse, exactly?

Shygal · #26 10/17/12, 08:30 AM

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And the worst the Op can come up with is 119 deaths, 800 disabilities, and 500 other problems that some folks believe are linked to the vaccine, out of 2 million?

I understand what you are saying Caliann, but if my daughter were one of the 119 deaths or 800 disabilities, I would never forgive myself. I wish I knew what to do about having her get the vaccine or not

chamoisee · #27 10/17/12, 11:01 AM

I lost my cervix, uterus and childbearing capacity due to HPV caused cervical cancer. If I hadn't been able to afford the hysterectomy and the pap smears that revealed the progression of the issue, I might have died from it, and I have known women who have died from it. ALL of my kids are getting the Gardasil vaccine, and so far there have been no adverse effects from it.

where I want to · #28 10/17/12, 11:23 AM

I'm very reluctant to take any drugs including asprin. But I hate irresponsible allegations deliberately muddy the waters.
Vaccines in general are responsible for the survival of over half the people posting on this site. If you take away childhood vaccinations, probably one third of the children under 5 would not be alive along with decreasing amounts after that. If you look at any old graveyard, you can see the number of children who died before they were teenagers, followed by a large number in their early twenties.
There is a difference between taking drugs from neccessity or from convenience. Drugs need to be respected and treated with caution. That is different that feared.

TheMartianChick · #29 10/17/12, 12:19 PM

I believe in vaccinations, but feel that many of the ones given to small children are administered too close together and at too young of an age. My children were vaccinated, but not until they were a bit older (2-3 years of age).

At the time the Gardisil vaccine was approved, one of my daughters was in the right age bracket to receive it. I passed on it. I didn't feel that the vaccine had been tested long enough and felt that I didn't want to expose her to it without longer scientific study. I've heard a mixed bag about the vaccine. I've heard of extreme pain, girls passing out when receiving it, etc... If I had it to do all over again, I don't really know what I'd do. The one major difference is that there is now more data available so that I could weigh the pros and cons a bit better.

HOTW · #30 10/17/12, 01:31 PM

Had whooping and Scarlet too..actaually had CP twice. My sister never had the smallpox vaccine take on her despite 3 attempts the Dr told my Mum she was probably immune to it( she was exposed in utero when a sailor on a ship my Mum & Aunt were on was found to have it) & to think oif it my cousin was the same! When it came time for me to have it the Dr said it wasnt a concern.

HOTW · #31 10/17/12, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ai731

But I bet you haven't had smallpox, polio, diptheria, tetnus, or whooping cough... Only because you and all the people before you who were vaccinated against these deadly diseases. Diseases (excepting smallpox, thank God!) which still kill tens of thousands of children in developing countries every year...

And I agree that these vaccines have had proof behind them- it took a lot longer for them to be approved than some that are rushed to market. When a vaccine says "Might prevent" it does not say to me it does prevent. Also the group they recommend for vaccination were not extensively tested during clinical trialsso I decied at that time to not have my daughter have it as I do not believe in making children guinea pigs for the Gov't.

Trixie · #32 10/17/12, 01:55 PM

I am a most cynical person, so I'm thinking we are never going to be able to get the true facts concerning these, and other drugs. We all just have to do the best we can and make as informed a decision as we can.

As far as whether this is dangerous or not, I don't now. If I had children of the age, I would not have it. My grandchildren will not have it. I just think much more needs to be done and I am concerned so many in power seems to think it should be mandated. That throws up a 'don't' flag for me.

The thing about drugs and treatments - sometimes we don't know the effects for decades. Not only do I think they would keep this quiet, I think they don't even do the research any more to see if there is a link. We can't say to what degree this is safe - we simply do not know. This may not be something the effects aren't known for a lifetime.

As for investing in pharmaceutical companies, we probably all have or are invested to some degree.

springvalley · #33 10/17/12, 11:10 PM

I haven`t had time to even check my own thread, and yes I got the info from Dr Mercola. If some of you don`t think he`s credable, to bad , so sad. I will not give my daughter the vaccine, I will tell her about it and then when she is 18 it will be her choice if she wants to get it. I will also try and teach my daughter to keep her knees togeather, and good morals, and good behavior will get her a lot farther in life. And I will teach my son to treat women right and good morals. So all of you that want every vaccine that come around the pike, you go right ahead. That is your choice if you want to, but it is also my choice not to. I knew this would get a few of you fired up on here, but thats my job, to get more of you thinking. All I ask you to do is do the research for yourselves, and make an educated guess at what is right to do. Oh, PS I`m not going to get my daughters ears pierced either, thats also up to her to do. > Thanks and God Bless America. > Marc

CaliannG · #34 10/18/12, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HOTW

And I agree that these vaccines have had proof behind them- it took a lot longer for them to be approved than some that are rushed to market. When a vaccine says "Might prevent" it does not say to me it does prevent. Also the group they recommend for vaccination were not extensively tested during clinical trialsso I decied at that time to not have my daughter have it as I do not believe in making children guinea pigs for the Gov't.

My grandmother felt the same way. After all, they rushed those polio vaccines through, trying to control those epidemics. How could anyone know that they were safe when they hadn't been thoroughly tested?

My mother, by a very slim margin, survived polio, and therefore did not need the vaccine afterwards. She is very, very lucky. The long term effect that she suffered is that, after all of her hair fell out, it grew back straight.

The March of Dimes did not help, because my grandmother had been offered the vaccine for free and refused it. So my grandparents had to sell nearly everything to pay for the medical costs of saving my mother, and the therapy she had to get afterwards. In that, they were fair.

The same is true of any vaccine. If you give the child the vaccine, and you child gets sick from it, you have the right to care being provided for that child for the entire duration of the effects, whether that is two weeks, or 75 years.

If the vaccine is available and you DON'T get it, and your child gets sick from the disease, then you are a pretty low person to go begging for help then.

This one is for Marc: They taught abstinence only in my school, and my church taught keeping one's knees together. Didn't work for my peer group, I happen to know LOTS of "good girls" who were naughty back then, without their parents ever knowing. How did it work for your peer group?

Trixie · #35 10/18/12, 03:24 AM

Yes, people used to die from childhood diseases. People died from many things in the past they survive today. We are much more knowledgeable about treating sickness, and we have medications that help.

How prevalent is this virus? How often does it actually cause cancer? Is it a sexually transmitted virus? Are they vaccinating adults for this as well?

Yes, I think people need to think and talk about this. I think they need to research it - asking a lot of questions. Whatever choice they make, I hope has been based on this, and truly trying to do what is best for their children. If we say we don't want to treat people who get cancer and have not had the vaccine - are we going to say we don't think we should pay for treatment for those who received the vaccine and might suffer some damage from it - now or in the future?

For those who think the number of deaths and problems are not really that much a concern - what if it is absolutely unnecessary? What if it doesn't do what it is said to do?

Again, the idea of our officials trying to make it mandatory just seems very suspect to me.

I just did a little research - very little - to see about the ruling that gave immunity to pharmaceutical companies against harm caused by vaccines. From what little I read, it is 'mandated' vaccines. If true, that might have answered my question of why they are trying to make it mandatory.

It is very hard to teach our children abstinence in today's society - but I don't think we should stop trying. Today a parent is working against a huge propaganda machine to get them to have sex - movies, music - everyone is telling them either it's OK, it's natural, or 'they just can't help it. In sitcoms, I have heard parents having 'the talk' about sex. They say, 'You will know when the time is right.' My hat is off to parents who still work hard at this.

NickyBlade · #36 10/18/12, 07:41 AM

Tired of being quoted and singled out...

HOTW · #37 10/18/12, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

The same is true of any vaccine. If you give the child the vaccine, and you child gets sick from it, you have the right to care being provided for that child for the entire duration of the effects, whether that is two weeks, or 75 years.

Not true if you get the vaccine and you have no insurance and your child gets sick from it they won't pay for care,the Gov't has instituted laws to prevent you from sueing the companies! There are no rights when it comes to companies making profits vs the common person

willow_girl · #38 10/18/12, 08:05 AM

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I did not and will not get it for my daughters. HPV is an STD. Abstinence is the ONLY way to guarantee you won't catch an STD. You will know when the time is right when you have a wedding ring on that finger.

That's only a guarantee if your new spouse also has been abstinent.

Edited to add: A 2006 survey of more than 38,000 people -- mostly women -- found that 95 percent had had premarital sex. Source: http://www.truthdig.com/eartothegrou...remarital_sex/

**highlands** · #39 10/18/12, 09:43 AM

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I think the slam at shareholders is inappropriate. I have stock in pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, and a rail road. I assure you, I don't get to make decisions.

You own stock. You're benefiting from the problem. That makes you responsible unless you are specifically fighting to prevent the problem.

LisaInN.Idaho · #40 10/18/12, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HOTW

Not true if you get the vaccine and you have no insurance and your child gets sick from it they won't pay for care,the Gov't has instituted laws to prevent you from sueing the companies! There are no rights when it comes to companies making profits vs the common person

That would be Scalia and company who interpreted the law to make the vaccine companies exempt.