Smoking Inside with Pets or Children Present ??

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BTDT! I hope you feel better soon. <<<hugs>>.

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Um...what does what I said have to do with an attitude of healthcare workers. Its a fact. I see what happens to people that have smoked all their lives. It has nothing to do with an "Attitude" of anyone.

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Im focusing on the smokers because that is what this topic is about.

Having babies without insurance has nothing to do with this topic, neither does birth control.

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So you are advocating that its ok for people to bring their screaming babies into a restaurant and let them scream all night, or let their kids run around the whole restaurant yelling and screaming, the kids enjoy that right? Why should you wanting to eat in peace, deny them their right of enjoyment?

I can go sing at the top of my lungs in a restaurant and no one should be able to tell me to stop, right? Just because I want to, I should be able to.

As a matter of fact, I can stop at your table and sample your food, in that case, because I would enjoy it.

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Oh, and speaking of insurance, we just received notice here at work that our premiums will go up $25 a month if we smoke.

Personally, I wish they would have offered a $25 reduction in premiums to those who don't.

If they offer a $50-a-month bonus to those who have a body mass index below a certain number, I'll become a dieting machine!

That might sound as though it's unrelated to this topic. But, Christopher Columbus! My hat was killed by second-hand fat.

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Vermont does and I think Massachusetts.
I can remember the first time I went into a restaurant in PA and found that people could still smoke in there, it was disgusting, inhaling smoke with every bite, and yes they had smoking and non smoking sections, it didnt make one bit of difference.

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I understand your perspective NickieL. To some extent I'm speaking from a perspective where growing tobacco as a cash crop is still legal and grown within the guidance of federal and state laws. I live in a state that was famous for its' quality tobacco. I grew up on a farm that is still a tobacco farm where the only crop grown is tobacco.

When I was a child this was a different world and smoking was encouraged in most facets of life, not just here in Ky, but everywhere. It wasn't seen as being bad in any way, shape or form. It's one reason so many of the younger folks are here today to share the stories of their smoking parents and the damage it has left in their lives. Use of tobacco is now being aggressively banned from all life venues and in the process, somewhere in an immediate future, I do think tobacco is going to be outlawed.

Thankfully, here in Ky there has been a serious effort to assist farmers to switch from growing tobacco as a cash crop to growing produce and other alternate cash crops that are healthier for public consumption. I'm not against this. I'm thrilled it's happening. But until tobacco is made illegal, those who smoke are entitled by law to continue by following the regulations set forth for that within the locations deemed as proper smoking areas, and to do that without being harassed.

I think anyone who's very concerned with public spaces being used for designated smoking areas should work with their local city councils to either move those areas to a less populated spot or work to get a city-wide ban on all public smoking.

Both of the largest cities in Ky, Louisville and Lexington, have city-wide bans on all outdoor public smoking.

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Thanks for your reply Shygal. I was beginning to wonder how many Ignore lists I was on. LOL!!

I was speaking from a patient's point of view, my own view, my own personal experience at being treated as a "lost cause" because major members of my attending medical staff made no secret of their true disgust that I had a history of smoking and that was the only reason they "assumed" that I was in ICU with congestive heart failure for the 2nd time. It was horrible enough that my husband and son had my entire medical staff fired and reassigned with the assistance of the hospital administrator. I was assigned a completely new staff of heart specialists, head nurse, and nurses and had no further problems with the attending physicians and staff.

I'm certain you're the best at what you do and wish you continued success in your chosen profession.

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You illustrate my point perfectly. You choose not to frequent denny's because of the smoking they allow. You choose to frequent a business that doesn't allow smoking. Perfect, You and the smokers are both happy. If/when catering to smokers is not profitable, you will see those businesses convert to non smoking (if they wish to stay in business).
Yes you are right, if a business chooses to not allow smoking on their property, that is entirely their right, and those employees who smoke can either quit, quit smoking, smoke off property or get fired. Entirely fair, entirely free market.

I have been in restaurants with screaming uncontrolled kids running around, so it does happen. You can sing at the top of your lungs anywhere you like, but if the owner of that establishment asks you to leave, or be quiet, you best do as instructed. You sure can sample my food, and I would have the right to have you arrested for stealing my food.

Have you ever heard of any pets contracting asthma or lung disease that was known to be caused by tobacco?

This thread is the first time I have ever heard the idea that smoking in a house with Fluffy or Fido is animal abuse.

I am amazed.

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well my stance on this is if your a smoker thats your health and your money your throwing away so have fun...
BUT when you start pumping out that smoke into enclosed spaces filled with people who havent or cannot make the decision to smoke themselves...
When your puffing that smoke directly outside the acess door that people who didnt choose to smoke have to go through to get to work ect...
then its a problem...

my father smoked when i and my brother were younger...
my brother had constant ear infections, bronchitis and VERY bad asthma...
i had constant throat infections and migranes.

the dr told him he was causing our illnesses and he quit...flat out...
my brother never got another ear infection or bronchitis, and his asthma pretty much dissapeared...
i stopped getting throat infections...and the frequency of the migranes declined.

as i got older i found i couldnt be around cigarette smoke or anyone who had smoked a cig in the last couple of hours...my head would imediatly start pounding, and i felt sick to my stomach.
and as puberty approached i started having epileptic seizures, the trigger in the majority, was the smell of cigarette smoke.

now as an adult i literally CANNOT be around active ciagrette smoke for more than a few seconds...i not only feel incredibly ill, but it takes between 3-5 seconds of exposure before i start seizing...

now i also have seizures when exposed to certain flashing light sequences, and some strong perfumes, i also cannot be around burning sage because it triggers...
but given i have such a violent reaction, having to walk through a cloud of smoke to acess a building i have to go into for whatever reason...(most grocery stores dont let customers use the warehouse/stock enterance for example) is for me incredibly detrimental to my health.

my brother only has asthma attakcs when around smokers...

given i have such serious reaction to second hand smoke...i have absolutly NO doubt that second hand smoke is just as detrimental to a persons health.
i choose NOT to smoke for some very serious reasons...as an adult i can ask people not to smoke in my homr, or when around me...i can also leave someplace if its smokey ect (though i shouldnt have to), but children and pets dont have that right, they dont have the ability to say "hey mommy that smoke stinks" or "hey mommy id prefer if you didnt do that in here"...

i can also say...when working at a vets clinic we did ALOT of necropsies on dogs and cats with cancers, we also had lots come in with breathing issues, MANY of which were from smoking homes...
and many of those homes that wouldnt smoke around their kids, still woudl smoke around their pets...
why is a pet any different in terms of effects...if its gonna make a human sick, its likley going to make an animal sick too!
again, its not like they can say "hey i dont like that"

and working in a doggy daycare...oh my goodness i cant tell you how many dogs came in smelling overwhelmingly like smoke...so its not like they get to fall under some magical cloud and not be effected...

Soulsurvivor,
Perfectly fine to ban smoking in public spaces. Just don't confuse public with private, open to the public.

This idea that private businesses are being forced against their will to ban smoking is delusional.

Non-smokers are in the majority in this country. Therefore, it is good business practice to keep one's business environment attractive to the majority.

Smokers have higher associated health costs, and so it is good business practice to not have smokers on the payroll.

Smokers take more breaks to feed their habit, and so it is good business to not have smokers on the payroll.

Buildings and cars absorb tobacco smoke and lower resale value, so it is good business sense not to allow smoking inside these places.

The only positive thing about secondhand smoke is that it makes the innocent bystander really hate smoking.

snoozy...agree...

i also think smoking in restuaunts for example isnt fair unless you hire people that are 100% specifially absolutly ok breathing in second hand smoke that are hired specifically for smoking tables so a waitress who doesnt want to be around it doesnt have to be...

Thats not what I was getting at at all, we arent disgusted with people, or smokers, its very hard to see people go through lung problems, cancer, copd, etc, because its such a scary thing to have. I know its not the only reason people get those things, but most all of them in my experience have a long history of smoking and most of them wish they never started

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Yes it happens, do you enjoy it? Or do you complain about it?
Do you leave and go elsewhere when it happens?

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...............Tobacco , salt , potatoes , gold , silver , have been used as currency for barter for so long that I doubt we'll ever fully outlaw their cultivation and products ! Likewise their taxation as a durable source of state and federal revenue while concurrently demeaning their addictive effects is just one more example of how duplicitious our society has become . , fordy

My workplace gives a $8/month reduction in premiums to those who do not smoke. Its not much, but at least its something.

I suggest the Circus Circus buffet.

My favorite restaurant in Las Vegas is at the Ellis Island casino. It has a karaoke bar adjacent to the restaurant. I've heard some very unusual sounds coming out of that place. It's just part of the atmosphere.

Shygal can sample all she likes at my table.

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