Smoking Inside with Pets or Children Present ??

I have yet to see ANY study stating that smoking any amount of cigarettes is good for you. Doubt the data on the effects of cigarette smoke will change in favor or smokers anytime soon.

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Anyone with half a neuron also knows not to drink and drive, yet they cause billions of dollars in medical/property costs every year too

Know a lot of folks that waste as much on alcohol as others do on smoking.

farmerj, no argument there, total agreement.

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The results of these studies are not contradictory, as you seem to be implying. The first study you mentioned found that women who drank 3 alcoholic drinks per week (regardless of the type) had an increased risk of breast cancer. The second study you mentioned was focused on the health benefits of wine specifically. I've never seen where any of those studies suggested that drinking wine reduced the risks of breast cancer.

In other words, the studies have shown that there are both benefits and risks to drinking alcohol (at least certain types). There are other studies that suggest that eating the grapes rather than drinking wine might also provide similar benefits, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. Just because scientists find both benefits and risks associated with an activity does not mean they are flip-flopping on their findings. The media, on the other hand, may very well have presented the findings of each as absolutes ("Drinking is good for you", "Scientists have found that drinking causes breast cancer", etc.), but that doesn't make the findings themselves contradictory.

So stop the back and forth bickering and realize that you both have your heels dug in.

Not a lot more has or is being added to the conversation constructively in the last couple of pages..

I still want to see hard stats that smoking bans caused business to go belly up....and that smoking and second hand smoke is HARMLESS. The smoking advocates just can't seem to come up with any it seems....

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Not a smoker, never have, but grew up in a family that nearly all smoked.. Never had any problems with lungs or breathing, was in all kinds of sports and got a scholarship for college in tennis.. IMHO it all comes down to genetics, you are either genetically predisposed to certain problems or not.. exposure to some irritants will exacerbate or bring on illnesses.

That being said I would rather stand by a smoker puffing away than on a city street corner and breathe all the junk swirling through the air..

All that comes to my mind..

then you have the ability to click out of here

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Are you kidding me???

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Has anyone heard of a link between smoking regular old tobacco and hallucinations?

Where are you getting this information? Everything I've ever read or learned is pretty specific about tobacco being indigenous only to the new world and that there was no tobacco usage in Europe in pre-Columbian times.

Well, I found out where the 'second hand smoke isn't harmful' mindset came from!


Dittoheads indeed!

What? You don't believe every whoosh of air out of a gasbag?

Um....no they werent. Columbus is the first one to bring tobacco back to t he Europeans.

I suggest you study your history a little better.

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is that guy still addicted to drugs? I don't keep up on these things but I thought some years ago I heard he was addicted to drugs. Wasn't his health also really bad? yeah, he sure is a poster child for smoking...

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He's the poster child of how smoking & Oxycontin affect the brain.

I remember too, art bell on the radio who had a wife with asthma, he admited she had asthma but still insisted on smoking around her. She died from it. The next week he found another wife...

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Maybe its not tobacco

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Be loving, show compassion. Create while we're here.
Enjoy this life, be in this life but not be of it.