Smoking Inside with Pets or Children Present ??

WHAT????? Native american revenge???? the europeans loved america because the land was more fertile then their depleted home land, it grew tobacco great, this was a huge crop for Americans, and the Europeans were using it long before Columbus came to America.

I don't know about that, I really think that cigarettes have changed in the last 15 years or so. My husband and I quit smoking just under four months ago, and we're pretty sure that cigarettes are no longer made of tobacco. Sure, there might be some tobacco in there, but it's sprayed with all kinds of stuff to make it burn fast, and extra nicotene is added to make you get more addicted, and to make you want to smoke again sooner. I believe that there are way more carcinogens and chemicals in cigarettes now than there were 15 years ago. We used to smoke American Spirit cigarettes, which are supposedly free from the additives, though certainly still bad for you. I would smoke one of them for every two or three camels my sister smoked. Hers burned that much faster than mine, and she would smoke 2 cigarettes while I was smoking my one. She would get cravings and smoke every 30 minutes or so, and I would typically wait hours in between cigarettes. When I was a teenager, I smoked camels and they tasted nothing like the cigarettes my sister buys now. They taste like dried out chemical soaked paper, and nothing like tobacco.

Okay, thank you for clarifying. I think I agree with your line of thinking there.

Sorry but I don't buy that about not being able to afford a patio. They dont need a patio to have someone smoking outside.

If clubs closed because people couldnt smoke inside, then what was the draw of the club? Smoking indoors? What about the bands and atmosphere, etc? I would think if they were good, people would still go, and go outside to smoke.

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Ok, this reminded me of the time I lost a job... thus the loss of paychecks. I still crack up over the girls who turned me in to the boss for smoking pot on the job. It was so bad as a matter of fact they were complaining about coughing up blood too! Heres the story...

I was working for a local farmer who raised tobacco and I was working for him "stripping" the crop... thats the term for pulling the leaves off the stalks after its been cured and getting it ready to be taken to market. I was a bit short on cash those days and so was rolling my own cigarettes out of some of the loose leaves that had fallen in the floor of the stripping room. Bear in mind now that we all went outside for a smoke break every hour or so including the girls who were complaining. Lots of fresh air out there so it really shouldnt have been much problem even if I had been smoking pot, which I wasnt, but they thought I was. (this shows the basic intelligence factor involved with these particular whiners) Long story short, the boss called me into his office, told me about the coughing up blood, and how my pot smoke was making the girls sick to their stomachs and fired me. Those whiners are very similar to many others.... they just want to whine about something, and most anything will do. Some folks even whine about second hand smoke and alcohol in a bar!

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The "atmosphere" is made up of several ingredients, and second hand smoke is one of them. So is being able to relax and enjoy oneself, have a few drinks, smoke a cigar, and flirt with the cuties. Any pub owner who asks me to go outside for a smoke... will not see me inside ever again! I have never heard the band yet that would make a dimes worth of difference to me if I cant go and have a good time while they are playing.

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There has been a lot of talk in this thread about how people can choose not to frequent businesses that permit smoking or choose not to work there. The original post was about kids, however, who can't choose not to be in the presence of second hand smoke. That was mentioned before, but I just wanted to mention it again.

The thing that hasn't been mentioned, however, is that smokers also made a choice. They chose to start smoking and choose to continue to smoke, although I realize the decision to stop isn't an easy one due to the addictive nature of cigarettes. As smoking is becoming more and more socially unacceptable we are seeing more restrictions or bans placed on smoking. Yes the government enacts these bans, but it is with the support of the people. The "bashing" of smokers is a sign that our society is becoming less tolerant of smoking, especially when done in the presence of others. People still continue to make the decision to smoke however, so should be prepared for the consequences, which include fewer areas where smoking is allowed and less acceptance from society as a whole.

How can you operate a discussion on cigarettes if you don't even know anything about them?? LOL!
http://www.tobacco.org/Resources/599ingredients.html
Various forms of acetic, including a form of paint thinner, various aromatic hydrocarbons including benzenes, and various forms of ionic alkane molecules, not to mention loads molecules that have to be named with Stock Notation due to the fact that they were probably created specifically for the cigarette industry. Apparently, types of Bupropion are used too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
An antidepressant? Zounds.
Oh. What was that you said about cigarettes being made only with tobacco?

Maybe you should go back and read her post, then you would know what I was responding to.

Neither do I; that was reaching for it.

I was responding to you responding to me and displaying a lack of knowledge...

So are you saying bashing of smokers is perfectly alright? After all society is leaning in the direction that it is wrong.

I think the economy had more to do with any place shutting down then non smoking....anyway, I'd like to see some cold hard facts about places closing because of a smoking ban. Show us some real stats, please to back up that CLAIM.

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Of course it is; anyone with half a neuron left knows to stay away from smokes nowadays; it's just unfortunate that the information hasn't been available earlier. Then we would have less poor people puffing away, addicted to their cigarettes. Of course, there are plenty young people who start as well, and I have no sympathy for them. They should have fun paying their medical bills and blowing as much as $400 a month of smokes.

I may have a lack of knowledge of all ingredients in tobacco. Some of which our government forces the tobacco companies to put in those cigarettes. Frankly I could care less whats in them. I don't propose to know what is in our toothpaste either, but I have read reports of the harmful effects of fluoride, maybe toothpaste is harmful as well. I don't claim to know what is in a can of fruit or vegetables either, I know there are words that are difficult to pronounce, let alone know what it could do to me, however I know fresh food tastes better, even home canned food tastes better. I don't know what all kinds of toxins are exhausted from a car, yet I have to smell the stench of vehicles when I go to cities (yes there is an odor in big towns that is definitely from vehicle exhaust).

I make my own smokes anyways, so my cigarettes are pretty pure.

so by your logic, it would be okay to bash any person that has views directly opposite to the majority of society? Or if they have beliefs different then the majority of society? So we can bash gay people? If they are vegetarians we can bash them, they certainly aren't a majority.

In case you didn't read that, I was expressing concern and sympathy for the unfortunate smokers out there.

No, personally I don't think that "bashing" anyone is constructive. Personally I have no problem with people choosing to smoke in their own homes. I was just pointing out that society is becoming less tolerant of smoking, and the negative reaction you see towards smoking is an indication of that.

I will defend smokers rights till the day I die.
There is no proof that smoking is a significant danger to anyone.
I don't think there is a question at all that smoking is not a good thing. I do not want my children to smoke. My only point is that smoke is not as dangerous as everyone is led to believe. A recent study says women are 15% more likely to get breast cancer if they drink 3 alcoholic drinks a week, and increases 10% for every 10grams more consumed. Yet a few years ago, they said a glass of wine a day was good for you. What will they say in a few years about smoking? Maybe it will be worse then we currently hear, maybe it won't be as bad. Further proof that science is not 100% accurate. Maybe alcohol should be banned, sure it only effects you, but when your kids see you drinking of course they are going to feel it's alright, and are probably more apt to drink themselves. So in a way, since we lead by example, if you drink, you are potentially increasing the chances of your daughters having breast cancer. One could make such an argument.
If you jump on any crusade that is happening today, you might find yourself on the wrong side in a few years. Let people live their lives, STOP trying to coerce them to do what you feel is right.
Ask yourself this. Do you want to live in a police state? Do you want the government to control every aspect of your life? Do you want the police to be able to march into your house for whatever "crime" you "might" be committing? I would pray you don't.

and I will defend peoples rights to breath clean air for those who chose to till the day I die.

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