Smoking Inside with Pets or Children Present ??

here, the smokers have to pay more now and the non-smokers get a really good discount. You also get a discount if you are withen normal body weight, BP, cholesteral, etc. If you are in the good levels of all that, you save 40 dollars a pay check. Everyone has to take a blood test to prove they don't smoke for the discount. And for those that want to quit, they offer help, free, to quit, including meds to help.

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The propaganda war has made people really hate smoking. And probably a few experiences with rude, inconsiderate smokers. I have had a lot of experiences with rude and inconsiderate drivers, too, but I'm not quite ready to ban driving.

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I ignore it, finish my meal, and go home. I do come back to the restaurant if the food warrants it. Crying screaming kids are fairly simple to tune out, maybe it's because I grew up with 9 siblings, or maybe because I have 5 of my own. Generally one can get a pretty good laugh at something silly the little crumb cruncher's do.

why is it the smokers are always bashed...we never bash the drinkers..just think if all the smokers quit who would be paying all the extra taxes..how can anyone say 100% positive that you get/got lung cancer from smoking/smokers,,,maybe it was just dealt that way for you..
yes i am a dumb smoker but i don't smoke in door ways,,i don't loss my employer money cause i don't smoke at work..if i did it would be on MY break thats MY time to do as i please,,
so don't judge all of us smokers the way you non smokers are,,,if you came to my home i wouldn't smoke around you,,if i came to your house i wouldn't smoker on your land..

.................Truthfully , I don't judge smokers because , I Know how absolutely addictive tobacco IS , and how hard it was for ME too quit ! Allowing smokers the widest possible freedom to enjoy their habit while the smoke just drifts around is a little like trying too keep a cat in a fenced back yard , almost impossible to do , lol . , fordy

fordy, congrats on quitting.

Dorothea, if what you say you do is true, you would be in the minority of smokers. Every smoker i have known has had no problem forcing others to 'enjoy' thier habbit with others who wern't so happy about it. I litterlly had to THROW a guest out of my house because he refused to take it outside, when I told him repeatedly he could not smoke in my house. And again, those smokers who, for some reason, can't learn to read about not standing near doorways to smoke, when signs ask them not to. Or those smokers who think the world looks pretty if they throw thier butts all over the place on the ground. If people want to poison themselves, kill themselves, harm them selves, drink themselves to death, or smoke, so long as it doesn't affect other people, I have no issues with that.

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I won't buy a vehicle that smells like someone lit a bonfire of tobacco in it. It's the owners fault that I won't buy his vehicle that I would have bought if he hadn't smoked.

NickeiL what i say is true,,i will not push my smoking on anyone..,but what about drinkers ,,they can have a drink while enjoying their dinner,,then get in a car and drive,yea lets kill a family ,don't see those people bashed we don,t bash them about sick days or how much we have to spend on liver disease or what else they get from drinking..or how they waste time at work recovering from a hang over,, just saying is all

dor, we do bash drunk drivers. I can't stand someone who would do that. However this topic is about smoking. And with the liver disease, they are at least doing that to just themselves. Thier kids won't get liver disease from second hand drinking. But I agree, they should never get behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated, its why it's against the law! The day my Dh quit drinking I celebrated. I hate to see people harming themselves...I hate to see them harm innocent people near them even more, no matter what the addiction is.

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I wonder what would happen if people started smoking tobacco instead of cigarettes...

[QUOTE=NickieL;5488419]fordy, congrats on quitting.

..................Thanks , fordy

Dorothea, I'm much like you. I don't smoke in my own home or vehicle so I would never consider smoking in someone else's home or vehicle. If I'm at an outdoor function where I feel I would like to smoke, I remove myself from the group to light up and I pick up my darned butt, put it in my purse or pocket until I can dispose of it properly. I'm allowed smoke breaks at work and I was given the office closest to the back door so I could sneak out for a quick one but I figure that means I'm taking breaks that the non smokers aren't so I start work an hour earlier which more than makes up for my breaks.

Thanks for the thumb up. I'd like to hear from everyone on this but I understand it might not be a topic that fits in this thread.

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Ummmmmmmmmmm I'm confused?????? Cigarettes are tobacco. Maybe you are talking cigars, or pipes, instead of cigarettes?

SAY WHAT????? delusional????? The laws are very clear, in the states that have them. It is against the law, in most states, to smoke in restaurants, and many if not all bars. This is not delusional, this is a fact. Last I checked those restaurants and bars were primarily private businesses.

Just because there is a law does not mean the owners of businesses are against the statutes of that law. A lot of businesses are happy to be able to protect their workers' and their own health. A lot of businesses are happy that they no longer have to provide for tobacco addicts a separate section of their premises. A lot of business owners are thrilled that they can't be blamed for the changes, and are very thrilled that they don't have to be nauseous in the workplace or go hang their clothes outside overnight to get the stink off of them...

It's not like the owner went out and kidnapped someone to work for them. That server applied for the job, in most cases that means going to the business and submitting an application. They see an ashtray, or people smoking, and that don't want to work around that stuff, go get a different job.

This might be true to some degree, but it also punishes people who would like to cater to smokers. As far as being blamed for making changes, I'd say those owners are cowards.

Personally, I think that tobacco is the Native Americans' revenge. Unfortunately, many of them are also victims of tobacco addiction.