Amazing photos of Madison, WI

Thanky, ma'am!

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And many of us are against our tax dollars going to medicaid, medicare, ect and were equally upset when the government started bailing out businesses.

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Thanks for sharing the pics, Deb. I have a soft spot in my heart for your beautiful state and grieve to see it being destroyed like it is. I wish I were closer and could have joined you at the capital. I strongly support what you and numerous other Wisconsinites are doing. And I hope you succeed in drawing attention to the problems caused by your new governor. Good luck and keep up the good work!

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The pictures were amazing! My mouth was hanging open as I watched the photos rotate, even though we watched it while it was happening.
HOWEVER, the reality is, those people were not peaceful.
First, all those teachers left children standing in the cold. They came to school, and found no teachers, no breakfast, no lunch. Those people trashed the capitol, refused to leave, threatened workers at the capitol, and other things.

I am using my hard earned money to pay retirement and benefits for someone who finds protesting more important than teaching children? I know a lot of people out of work that would give a jewel to be handed a teaching job and would pay their own benefits.

In this issue, I agree with Walker. The school where my DD attends, is very small, very local, and not much better than day care. She wont be returning next year.

I also wanted to add, a lot of those tractors were trucked in from out of state to make there be more.

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Notice how Nice And Clean they were?
I bet most have not seen field work in many years.

My point was, very simply, that what one thinks an individual should be paid for the services they provide is subjective.

If your employer sudden decided he was paying you 50% too much for the work you do, fair that he just yanks it? After all, he is paying your salary (just as we are paying teachers or whatever). In reality, this is happening all over. Take the cut or go kick stones - we'll find somebody else who'll (try) do your work for that pay - we don't care how good you are at it, how long you've worked for us, etc.

Look, I agree that many, many folks have been riding the gravy train for far too long, but I guess I would include more in that pool than even you do. I will also say that teachers' salaries should be in large part outcome related - weed out the chaff.

OK Post a link to anybody that is losing 50% their paycheck when it is related to what is going on in WI.

So the teachers & other gov't workers are getting a 50% cut in pay??? Gotta link to that?
I've worked many places and/or heard folks that have, where the employer had to cut pay.
My last job-for a DRUG CO.-changed the scale for health bennies & we had to pay waaay more than in previous yrs. Part of our pay was in yearly bonuses & these were NOT paid if we did not perform. Nor did we get yearly raises if co. did not make more profit than the last year.

In WI, 2/3 of h.s. kids do NOT read at grade level...hmmm...

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I asked the same thing about a link, but so far been quite. That says a lot in itself.50% pay cut hmmmmm.

I think part of the problem that most people don't realize is one, there is no pay cut really. They are just being asked to pay a small percentage of their retirement and a small percentage of their own healthcare. The other thing is it isn't a proper comparison to say their employer wants to cut their pay. An employer doesn't pay the teachers. WE DO!

Our property taxes are more a month than the mortgage was on my first house. The vast majority of it goes to the worthless local school to pay the teachers, and when I send DD to a diff. school next year, I still have to pay for the local worthless school. I don't get a choice! Why can't they pay their own benefits? I don't even have benefits. I can't afford it, because I am too busy paying theirs.

And there are a lot of teachers out there that aren't even worth paying. They are riding the union protected 'seniority train'. This bill would stop that for the future.

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I wanted to share the amazing 360º high definition photographs taken at events. I had never seen anything like that before.

Deb
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I am not sure why you posted this link since it is just shows regular photographs and it was taken in L.A.

deb
in wi

Thank you

Deb
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The President did not attend any Wisconsin rallies, so I don't understand why you are bringing him up.


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I posted those pics b/c it shows who the unions are in bed with.

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I answered another post, I did NOT bring him up.

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Ah, so when you mentioned being at the protest and that you thought it was democracy in action-it had nothing to do with the protest? You were only concerned w/quality and unusual photography? Hmmm.
Just wondering if you know what the folks were protesting?

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Anyone who thinks that teachers work just 180 days a year are grossly misinformed.

My MIL was a teacher. My SIL is a teacher. I grew up babysitting for teachers. I went to school to be a teaacher, but then I saw what all was really involved and decided to not put up with it.

EVERY teacher I know is hard working. Do you think they waltz into class that first day of school and the room is all set up on it's own? Are the lesson plans all done on their own? Not at all. Every teacher I know starts in on the ffirst of August and works 10 hour days to get their classroom set up. They have to make sure they read the kids' files so they know what they're dealing with. Lesson plans need to be done, supplies ordered, bulletin boards put up, and a ton of other things that need to be done so that school can start successfully.

A lot of times teachers need to do inservice hours before the school year, too. Speaking of schooling, most teachers I know are pursuing higher degrees. Can't get a raise these days unless you're going to school. My SIL has a Master's Degree. While completion of her degree for her a $5,000 a year raise, she's now higher on the chopping block and if she does get fired it'll be harder for her to get hired because she has too many credentials. But, that's how she spent her last 7 summers. Doing WORK.

When school is out they have to completely pack up their room. They don't know most of the time if they'll be back in that classroom or if they'll be teaching that level net year. They don't find out usually until July. So guess what they do in July? Research what needs to be taught for the next year. I don't think that people realize how much work goes into lesson plans. I think the general formula is something like for every one hour of teaching you need to do about 3 hours of research, brainstorming and planning.

My SIL is a teacher in a pretty affluent area in the Chicago suburbs. She makes $45,000 a year with her Master's Degree. She's been at this school for 4 years now. In addition to the 180 days school is in session, she also teaches 4 weeks of summer school. (That's included in the number I quoted.) Additionally, each teacher is to have a club or cause they have to sponsor. My SIL doesn't have children at home so she agreed to help with the PTO. She has to help organize and run fundraisers, be the secretary at the meetings, and make up all of the publicity. This has added an additional 24 hours a month of work to her schedule (three days a month). Just in this club alone she has added another 27 working days a year to her schedule-unpaid. In addition she's given one 45 minute planning period a day. In that time she has to grade papers, meet with students and be available to other staff memebers. Since it's nearly impossible to get the work done in that short amount of time she takes her work home or stays until 6 PM working. She has to be at the building no later than 7:15 AM as class runs from 7:45-3:30. Add in parents who need to meet with her and coordination time with other teachers and I think she works a very full day. Don't forget the club meetings at night! That's a 10 hour day for 180 days, or 1,800 hours a year.

Starting on August 1st, she has to go through 10 days of District Educations. That's where they learn about new policies, information and inservices. Those are 8 hour days, too, so add in 80 more hours.

During those days she often spends about 3 hours a night working on hher room. She'll work 40 hours the week between District Training and school starting to get lesson plans done and the rest of the classroom in order. That's another 70 hours. If she needs any supplies for the classroom she needs to go and pick those up.

We're now up to 1, 950 hours a year, not counting the extra work withthe PTO she has to do. Considering the 'average worker' who works an 8 hour day 50 weeks a year works 2,000 hours a year, I think you can see where this is going.

While I'm railing on those whho don't know the inside life of a teacher, let's throw around some money talk. My SIL gets a whopping $150 a semester for classroom supplies. That goes towards copy paper, scissors, etc. While that may sound like a lot, it's not. She has to design bulletin boards, fund incentive programs and even chalk out of that budget. Anyone who has put a kid through school knows that it costs a lot of money for school supplies. My SIL has bought supplies for kids who can't afford it or who have parents who aren't attentive enough to buy the supplies. (Yes, they have drives for supplies, but it doesn't cover nearly everyone in the district and most of the supplies are diverted to the poorer parts of the district.) My SIL even has bought peanut butter and bread in for kids who have parents who can't/won't make breakfast for the kids. Funding a room for 25 kids is COSTLY. Last year she spent almost $1500 on supplies and classroom items out of her own pocket for two semesters and summer school. How would you like it if your boss told you that you need to bring in pens and paper in order to do your job?

The average babysitter makes $3 an hour per child. Times 25 kids that's $75 an hour. Just to babysit. If she got that much money, it would be $150,000 a year. Just to babysit. But parents and bosses expect teaching to happen, too. My SIL's class meets all standards and all of her children read at grade level or above.


So before you decide to complain about teachers 'raking it in' and being lazy I suggest that you trot your heiney down to the school and talk to the teachers and see how they feel about your comments. It's easy to sit here on a board and beef about 'wasteful spending'. It's another thing to actually find out the facts for yourself.

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I didn't realize there were posts here saying teachers were lazy. I certianly know they are not.

Your post is a nice tribute to them but not sure what the point is. I could tell you all about the jobs I've had, pay far less, w/o NEAR the benefits that gov't workers have...don't think you'd be that impressed. AND you're NOT paying MY salary.

That is the whole point-if gov't workers are paid by taxpayers, then taxpayers SHOULD get a say in the pay/benefits. Simple as that. Collective batgaining?? NO! Even FDR & Carter said that was NOT ethical.

AND gov't workers should NOT have more benefits than the average worker in the private sector. Who, BTW, are normally paid on how they perform, unlike most gov't workers. And did I mention that 2/3 of WI H.S. kids do NOT read at grade level???

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