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05/14/11, 01:54 AM
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Then why start the thread in CF? Are you only looking for those that agree with you?
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I was trying to make this a non-political thread. I wanted to share the amazing pictures because most people have not seen 100,000+ in one place in such vivid detail. It was an amazing experience for a rural resident like me to experience in person and the photos give the viewer some of the same feeling.
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05/14/11, 02:32 AM
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Its interesting that so many of us have had enough, but the govt in general has not figured that out yet. Here in oregon, our schools are in sad shape financially too. So bad that they cut jobs last year, pay raises, etc. this school year they cut more jobs, reduced hours that many staff worked, and cut 15 days off the school year. Carping and complaining about how terrible it is, and how we need more taxes so the schools can be better funded. and yet they can pay the football coach $15000 for doing his thing for ONE FREAKING SEASON. That's just one coach, at one school, there are 3 high schools in our rural school district, and not only the head coach gets paid, but the assistant coaches do as well. The head coach for the football team also coaches track, and makes $20,000 a year from those two post time duties. His regular day job with this same school district pays about $18,000 plus benefits.
Absolutely ridiculous. When the schools get so bad that all they do is teach, then I will believe they are truly desperate. Until then, they are just another govt entity that has grown used to getting the money they want when they want it, and now that it is being curbed, they are playing up the drama.
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05/14/11, 08:40 AM
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I was trying to make this a non-political thread. I wanted to share the amazing pictures because most people have not seen 100,000+ in one place in such vivid detail. It was an amazing experience for a rural resident like me to experience in person and the photos give the viewer some of the same feeling.
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I'm sorry. It really did sound "political", I think, to most of us.
Thanks for posting the pics. A lot of it was on TV. As were the interviews of the protesters. I'm proud that you, esp as an HT'er, partook in the peaceful one.
If you were amazed at the # of folks standing up for what they believed, all in one place, you should see the photos of the folks at D.C. last Martin Luther King Day. There were a million, all were peaceful. NO DAMAGE at all was done either. Not a scrap of trash left on the mall, either.
Would like to add that in you link, it said "this is what democracy looks like".
I'll respectfully disagree. What democracy looks like is the voters decision to hire the Governor to do his job.
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05/14/11, 09:01 AM
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Union protesters behaving nicely? Not when I was in Madison for the Stand for Walker rally in February. We were shouted at, sworn at, and physically blocked from trying to cross the street. The union protesters had folks in their crowd wearing signs reminding people that it was supposed to be a peaceful protest!
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05/14/11, 09:04 AM
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You mean like the President?
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I'll get a camera and post pictures of the 1000's and 1000's of Wisconsin taxpayers who are too busy working (paying teachers salaries) to spend 3 weeks in Madison. And that won't be a political post either.
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05/14/11, 09:29 AM
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I am glad the protesters were polite and well behaved compared to the others. But it makes no difference if someone says 'please' and 'thank you' while they're picking your pocket. It's still wrong.
I wonder if some of the people protesting understand that there are lower and middle class people who pay taxes (such as the self-employed, who pay more taxes overall than others) to the point that they can't afford to pay for *their own* healthcare and that of their children while at the same time being forced to pay for the healtcare of others and other's children. I seriously wonder if anyone doing the demanding has an understanding of that? I am sure some do, and yet they still demand taxes taxes taxes. It's utterly selfish, shows a fundamental lack of compassion for one's neighbors and countrymen. And it's wrong!
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Hear hear!! DH and I have been self-employed for over thirty years. We have paid ALL of our health insurance, funded 100% of our retirement, and get no sick, vacation or maternity days. Plus, I get to pay for the Teachers and State Workers!! Yeah me!!
They have a LOT of nerve complaining about being asked to pay a miniscule amount (here in PA) for their health insurance, and complain about working 190 days a year. I work. every. single. day. I have no sympathy, and am starting to feel seriously disgruntled over the whole situation.
I am seriously depressed that here in PA it looks like the Republicans are going to cave on cutting funding for the State Universities. Why don't the bloated, overpaid Presidents, Deans, and Professors voluntarily give back? Graham Spanier, President of PSU makes over [B]$800,000[B] a YEAR. Plus, last I heard his wife, a Professor makes over $200,000. Can't they live off of her salary alone? I know I could!!
And lets not even talk about how much Joe Paterno makes as a Football Coach. He does give some back, but really, it is time to dump the sports in our educational system.
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05/14/11, 09:57 AM
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You mean like the President?
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Yes, exactly like that, and the Tea Party protests and the union protest are both very similar.
In fact, looking at those pictures it looks like a bunch of older white people, like is leveled at the Tea Party Protests.
Of course demographically speaking (and for those who like to ignore the minorities at either rather) that's America at this stage of her history.
So, with both, the election booth is where there will be results, or, as with extraordinary issues, there are measures to remove both governors and Presidents before their time.
Let's follow the law, on all sides, and use the tools set before us. Both Unionists and Tea Partiers alike.
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05/14/11, 10:03 AM
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Then why start the thread in CF? Are you only looking for those that agree with you?
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05/14/11, 10:10 AM
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Yes, exactly like that, and the Tea Party protests and the union protest are both very similar.
In fact, looking at those pictures it looks like a bunch of older white people, like is leveled at the Tea Party Protests.
Of course demographically speaking (and for those who like to ignore the minorities at either rather) that's America at this stage of her history.
So, with both, the election booth is where there will be results, or, as with extraordinary issues, there are measures to remove both governors and Presidents before their time.
Let's follow the law, on all sides, and use the tools set before us. Both Unionists and Tea Partiers alike.
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05/14/11, 10:24 AM
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Hear hear!! DH and I have been self-employed for over thirty years. We have paid ALL of our health insurance, funded 100% of our retirement, and get no sick, vacation or maternity days. Plus, I get to pay for the Teachers and State Workers!! Yeah me!!
They have a LOT of nerve complaining about being asked to pay a miniscule amount (here in PA) for their health insurance, and complain about working 190 days a year. I work. every. single. day. I have no sympathy, and am starting to feel seriously disgruntled over the whole situation.
I am seriously depressed that here in PA it looks like the Republicans are going to cave on cutting funding for the State Universities. Why don't the bloated, overpaid Presidents, Deans, and Professors voluntarily give back? Graham Spanier, President of PSU makes over [B]$800,000[B] a YEAR. Plus, last I heard his wife, a Professor makes over $200,000. Can't they live off of her salary alone? I know I could!!
And lets not even talk about how much Joe Paterno makes as a Football Coach. He does give some back, but really, it is time to dump the sports in our educational system.
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Well who are you to say these individuals are overpaid? Everytime someone on here complains about how much doctors charge or lawyers or whatever, there are many posts about how these folks have a right to earn how ever much they can, they put in the time and effort to get where they are and anyone who truly wanted to could do the same. How come it's okay for some some to makes a lot of money and not others? Judgment call? Pretty subjective, huh? Now I'm not talking about beaurocratic/entity overspending, but seems to me for "righties" to argue against anyone's salary is kind of double-faced (although, in fact, I happen to agree - CEOs shouldn't be making the obscene amounts they are, either, and that list goes on). I just don't get the double argument about individuals' salaries. You really want to limit how much an individual can make? Seems like $200000 is a pretty low threshhold...
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05/14/11, 11:54 AM
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You mean like the President?
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Exactly.
When the voice of the people is NOT heard & the Pres does whatever a few want, its NOT democracy.
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05/14/11, 11:57 AM
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I'll get a camera and post pictures of the 1000's and 1000's of Wisconsin taxpayers who are too busy working (paying teachers salaries) to spend 3 weeks in Madison. And that won't be a political post either.
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05/14/11, 11:58 AM
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Hear hear!! DH and I have been self-employed for over thirty years. We have paid ALL of our health insurance, funded 100% of our retirement, and get no sick, vacation or maternity days. Plus, I get to pay for the Teachers and State Workers!! Yeah me!!
They have a LOT of nerve complaining about being asked to pay a miniscule amount (here in PA) for their health insurance, and complain about working 190 days a year. I work. every. single. day. I have no sympathy, and am starting to feel seriously disgruntled over the whole situation.
I am seriously depressed that here in PA it looks like the Republicans are going to cave on cutting funding for the State Universities. Why don't the bloated, overpaid Presidents, Deans, and Professors voluntarily give back? Graham Spanier, President of PSU makes over [B]$800,000[B] a YEAR. Plus, last I heard his wife, a Professor makes over $200,000. Can't they live off of her salary alone? I know I could!!
And lets not even talk about how much Joe Paterno makes as a Football Coach. He does give some back, but really, it is time to dump the sports in our educational system.
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Well who are you to say these individuals are overpaid? Everytime someone on here complains about how much doctors charge or lawyers or whatever, there are many posts about how these folks have a right to earn how ever much they can, they put in the time and effort to get where they are and anyone who truly wanted to could do the same. How come it's okay for some some to makes a lot of money and not others? Judgment call? Pretty subjective, huh? Now I'm not talking about beaurocratic/entity overspending, but seems to me for "righties" to argue against anyone's salary is kind of double-faced (although, in fact, I happen to agree - CEOs shouldn't be making the obscene amounts they are, either, and that list goes on). I just don't get the double argument about individuals' salaries. You really want to limit how much an individual can make? Seems like $200000 is a pretty low threshhold...
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that salaries of docs & att'ys were paid for by us the taxpayer. I thought just whomever used their services, paid for them. But see, the teachers & other gov't workers are paid a salary BY ME and I do not get a say in the matter.
Even FDR & Carter were against this. NO collective bargaining for gov't workers. Peroid. UNethical.
I agree that CEO's make waaaay too much more % than their workers. The Japanese model needs to be looked at & copied, IMHO. But I don't pay for their salary out of my taxes. Shareholders in co. should band together & correct that discrepancy.
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05/14/11, 01:35 PM
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Most doctors take Medicaid, Medicare, etc., surely our taxes go to that...and public defenders and prosectors, etc, are paid with our tax money. There are so many grossly overpaid public officials, local to national...
Our taxes went to bailing out many corps with execs who are making multimillions of dollars. Govt subsidies paid by our taxes for businesses...If you're gonna clean house...
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05/14/11, 03:06 PM
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Most doctors take Medicaid, Medicare, etc., surely our taxes go to that...and public defenders and prosectors, etc, are paid with our tax money. There are so many grossly overpaid public officials, local to national...
Our taxes went to bailing out many corps with execs who are making multimillions of dollars. Govt subsidies paid by our taxes for businesses...If you're gonna clean house...
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I'm sure you'll agree that the majority of att'ys are not paid by taxpayers, only those app'ted to the poor-and at a much lower fee.
And mostly the same w/docs, if they take medicare its for a lesser fee.
So your point was?
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Quote "I'm sorry, I didn't realize that salaries of docs & att'ys were paid for by us the taxpayer"
Post of the Day Award!!
Sorry I can't find the smiley holding the sign.
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