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Old 10/22/09, 07:35 AM
 
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We have decided not to take it here. It hasn't been tested like the other flu vaccine. Plus, people have died from taking it.
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Old 10/22/09, 07:46 AM
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Does anyone remember personally or has researched the effects of the original H1N1 vaccine, released in 1976? The stats on that one are astounding. 1 in every 100,000 people receiving the vaccine developed Gullien Barr Syndrome - resulting in extreme paralysis and death. More people died from the vaccine, than from the actual H1N1 flu.

Honest question, though....why? Was it just that we weren't good enough at making a flu vaccine at that point, or was it a problem with making a vaccine for this particular strain of flu?

I also found this article from Canada. Most people will probably discount it as a non-credible source, but I don't know. Definitely something to think about, especially the part about the vaccine only being required to work in 3 out of 10 people who receive it.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14950
Guillain Barre Syndrome is very rare and almost never results in death. And yeah, I would discount that source. Why not just go to the CDC?
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/gbs_qa.htm

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Old 10/22/09, 08:44 AM
 
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Guillain Barre Syndrome is very rare and almost never results in death. And yeah, I would discount that source. Why not just go to the CDC?
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/gbs_qa.htm
The link you provided doesn't discount anything stated in the link that I provided. There were an additional 1 in 100,000 cases of GBS as a result of the '76 flu vaccination program. There were 40 million vaccinations given, and 40,000 cases of GBS reported in those people who received it. That's not good enough for me. The vaccination program was stopped because of the risks, and because the "pandemic" turned out to be nothing more than normal.

What I did read in your link is that the CDC states that the seasonal flu vaccine does not increase chances of GBS. That's nice, but we're not dealing with the regular seasonal flu vaccine here. We're dealing with an H1N1 vaccine, which, in the past HAS resulted in increases in GBS...so much so, that the last time they gave it, they pulled it.

My family are not guinea pigs. We only have one other situation to look at where a vaccine for this strand of flu was given, and the results of that were not good, even by the CDC's own reporting.

And, there is the fact that this vaccine is only expected to provide COMPLETE protection to 3 out of every 10 people who receive it. 30% folks.
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Old 10/22/09, 08:49 AM
 
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You know, the more I read from the CDC page you quoted, the more convinced I am not to give this vaccine to my family. Read that article. There's a lot of "well, we're going to monitor the results of this vaccine to ensure that it's safe." In other words, they're basically conducting an experiment on people who are getting it. Again, my kids are not guinea pigs. If you want your kids to be guinea pigs, go right ahead. They have no real evidence that this vaccine is safe, as it's never been administered to the population or thoroughly tested.
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Old 10/22/09, 08:56 AM
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30 percent folks! Sounds like a used car commercial. Where are you getting the 30 percent regarding the H1N1 vaccine?
Also, the link I provided relates Guillain Barre Syndrome to the previous swine flu...just like, oh yeah...YOU did.
My kids are great. Luckily, I have better information than crackpot faux news sites to get my info from. My kids grandfather is an immunologist who has worked on vaccines. He knows the research on this vax and he thinks it's a good one. My friend works for a company that consults on quality control for the H1N1 vaccine. He too is a scientist, and luckily for him...his family has been entirely vaccinated.
Maybe I should put them both in contact with you and you can give the low-down. You do after all have that IQ of 130 (!!!) Who actually posts that kind of thing?
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Old 10/22/09, 09:23 AM
 
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Maybe I should put them both in contact with you and you can give the low-down. You do after all have that IQ of 130 (!!!) Who actually posts that kind of thing?
LOL! Well, I do, when my intelligence is being questioned!

I really don't care what you do with your kids. You're a good parent, you seem genuinely concerned about your family's health, and I wish you the best.

But, I'm no less a good parent, and I'm no less concerned about my family's health just because my parenting decisions are different from yours.

The requirement for this vaccine to get "out there" is that it created antibodies in 40% of the people who get it., with 70% of those people receiving complete resistance. That equates to less than 30% of the people who get the vaccine actually being completely resistant to the virus.

This is one of those situations where...there are risks and benefits. I can risk my children getting GBS, which I believe is a valid risk based on what happened the last time a vaccine for this strand of flu was issued. The benefit is a 30% chance they will receive immunity from this strand of flu.

For me, the risks outweigh the benefits. That's just my decision, though. I'm not suggesting everyone agree with me, but I don't expect to be shot down because I've made this decision.

I would still be interested in knowing what is being done differently in the development this vaccine than the one that was given in '76. Does anyone have any information on that? Because that vaccine was definitely not a good idea, so before I get this one, I'd like to know what's different about it.
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Old 10/22/09, 09:30 AM
 
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Must we have personal attacks? People are free to believe what they want.
BTW guillian barre syndrome did result in death more often back in the 70's as ventilator technology wasn't as advanced as it is today. Some people with this have to be on vents for months to survive it.
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