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Old 01/24/11, 01:23 PM
 
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Allis chalmers truck engine?

So. just found out A short while ago that A/C made automotive and semi engines too. But they were Painted purple, hence the term purple people eater. I believe they stopped in 1972 the production of said engines.Any body ever see one in person???

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Old 01/24/11, 02:31 PM
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used to work on several Alis diesels Yellow, we had in some graders, hard as hell to rebuild a starter in the field, by your self, they were so heavy and the springs so strong, you needed two guys but we had to do everything with only one man. Probably would have been cheaper to send two but management always knows best!!! even if they don't, one guy had to lay under and try to hold it up and put it in place weighing over 50 lb. while putting a bolt in the top hole without dropping it on your face, no room for the bolt to clear the housing, I spent a hour building a sling to hold it, and slid it right in, but who would do that? others spent two days fitting on it, alot of fun, ha ha, best wishes, ray

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Old 01/24/11, 04:01 PM
 
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James,

There was a discussion on this topic a while back on http://allischalmers.com

Pretty interesting!

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Old 01/25/11, 10:33 AM
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There's a current article in a vintage truck magazine at Tractor Supply. The AC engines could crank out over 400HP when 200HP was the usual for Cummins and the others. The engine was also a fuel sipper compared to other diesels at the time. The only problem was when turned up for the higher HP the engine didn't last as long.

There was aslo some info on a semi that a man still had with one of the AC engines.

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AC was way ahead of Cat and IHC in the construction industry. My 80 year old neighbor worked for AC in the Forklift line. They bought out Buda for their enginges and line of lifts but Also made their own Electric lifts.

AC crawlers had the first Torque Converters, SALT undercarriages, Power assisted steering clutches. The grader and scraper lines were ahead to. I didnt know about the truck motors I know that they made turbines, and ship motors and pumps.

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Old 01/29/11, 09:26 AM
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Alis also came out with the first fuel cell technology, around 1940?, tractor, it ran propane through a fuel cell and converted it to high power DC electric running an huge electric motor that could outpull anything in the field at the time. However the farmers didn't like the silent motor, they just couldn't seem to get the feel of it without the roar of the engine to help them gage how much power was being put out under their foot pedal.
So eventually Alis sold the technology to Teledyne who happens to been bought by NASA.
Just last year I seen an article about a NASA scientist who it claimed found a way to convert propane fuel cell to make electric for use in space. I thought What the Hell??? Alis invented this in the 40's,,,, well it seems NASA scientists must think they did it the way they write articles it was them that just now discovered the process. Well it wasn't check the link below, best wishes, ray

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2...-cell-vehicle/

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Alis also came out with the first fuel cell technology, around 1940?, tractor, it ran propane through a fuel cell and converted it to high power DC electric running an huge electric motor that could outpull anything in the field at the time. However the farmers didn't like the silent motor, they just couldn't seem to get the feel of it without the roar of the engine to help them gage how much power was being put out under their foot pedal.
So eventually Alis sold the technology to Teledyne who happens to been bought by NASA.
Just last year I seen an article about a NASA scientist who it claimed found a way to convert propane fuel cell to make electric for use in space. I thought What the Hell??? Alis invented this in the 40's,,,, well it seems NASA scientists must think they did it the way they write articles it was them that just now discovered the process. Well it wasn't check the link below, best wishes, ray

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2...-cell-vehicle/
Sorry, but Teledyne is a publicly traded company (TDY on the NYSE) that does do work for NASA as well as about a billion other companies, in the USA and overseas.
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Old 01/29/11, 05:01 PM
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OMG, cut out my tongue and all my fingers for telling a lie!!!!
Just telling what I remember, which is subject to error. Its been years since I've read the articles about Alis building the fuel cell drives which went into more that just tractors and used more than just propane. They used Hydrogen also and ran tests on many substances, I believe. The information is somewhat hard to find anymore. So, since you seem to know, maybe you can fill in the blanks for us? please feel free to correct me any time, I'm sure you can correct much of what i say, ray

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OMG, cut out my tongue and all my fingers for telling a lie!!!!
If you insist! Knife or scissors?

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Just telling what I remember, which is subject to error. Its been years since I've read the articles about Alis building the fuel cell drives which went into more that just tractors and used more than just propane. They used Hydrogen also and ran tests on many substances, I believe. The information is somewhat hard to find anymore. So, since you seem to know, maybe you can fill in the blanks for us? please feel free to correct me any time, I'm sure you can correct much of what i say, ray
OK, but you asked. Fuel cells were invented in the 1830s, not the 1940s. GE perfected the devices in the 1950s and Mc Donnell-Douglas used them in their space capsule (Gemini) which was developed and built in St Louis, MO (my uncle was the project engineering manager of that capsule and as a kid, was able to go see it.) The use by McD-D was the first commercial application of a fuel cell, albeit much different than the types that are used today. A/C, in 1959, developed a fuel cell powered electric tractor, but was a prototype and I cannot find that any were ever sold as a "product" (much like the auto industry does regularly with their cars that will never see the market, but are shown all over the world.) UTC Power was the first company to manufacture and sell a power plant based on fuel cell technology, provide cells to NASA for use in the Apollo project and for the shuttles, and for a myriad of other applications (buses, etc. per their web-site.)
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