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Old 07/05/10, 08:21 PM
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Reading about the battery/starting issue below I decided to post a hint.

In mechanics school decades ago I was taught to disconnect the negative battery cable first before disconnecting the positive (on a negative ground system). Using that manner if your wrench should touch the car sheet metal, etc. while disconnecting the positive there won't be a complete circuit to allow a spark.

When installing the cables install the negative last for the same reason.

Kind of goes against everything many of us have done before but it does make sense. Not sure if it would matter with modern circuitry or not.
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Old 07/06/10, 08:44 AM
 
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That's always been the correct way. Also DO NOT WEAR ANY RINGS OR WATCHES! Plenty have permanent scars where their ring or watch shorted out. A car battery can easily make a gold or silver ring glow. Also be careful not to make any sparks near an automotive lead/acid battery. The gas given off is hydrogen and when theres a spark at the right time the battery can explode sending acid everywhere.
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Old 07/06/10, 10:39 AM
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Also be careful not to make any sparks near an automotive lead/acid battery. The gas given off is hydrogen and when theres a spark at the right time the battery can explode sending acid everywhere.
Good additions. I worked for a farmer one summer that always had a cigarette in his mouth. He paid for it one day when leaning over a charging battery. It blew up and blew acid all over his face. Luckily he had a garden hose nearby and was able to quickly dilute the acid so that it only did minor damage.
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Old 07/06/10, 11:43 AM
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A car battery can easily make a gold or silver ring glow.
You can WELD with a battery and set jumper cables and some rod, not real nice looking weld, cause you dont have lot control, but yep, can join two chunks quarter inch steel without lot trouble.
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Old 07/09/10, 10:31 PM
 
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You can WELD with a battery and set jumper cables and some rod, not real nice looking weld, cause you dont have lot control, but yep, can join two chunks quarter inch steel without lot trouble.
yes, and with practice and some ingenuity a darn good possibility to do some fine welding. Especially if you up the battery count and use 24 volts.

BUT:

I will relate an experience I had that is well worth reading.


Many years ago I was a service technician at an auto manufacturing facility at Belvidere Illinois.

Car plants are huge so we had golf carts to haul ourselves and our tools around when we serviced things.

I was very proud of my welding set-up I put on my cart.
I used 4 of the 6 volt on-board batteries for welding. I added a PWM controller to the welding circuitry I had built and with the PWM controller I could dial in the weld amperage to a very specific setting and weld up a storm.
It was used so often it became a sought after piece of equipment.

It became such a common welder to use it became second nature to just use the cart whenever welding needed to be done.

Until the one fateful day.
I needed to weld part of the frame of the cart one day so I just grabbed the weld lead on the golf cart, not thinking or bothering to check to see if the cart's battery charger was plugged in.

Well it was and not long into the weld repair, and yes, there was a hell of an explosion! Three of the 6 batteries were gone! Totally gone.
Shrapnel everywhere and hospital with loss-time.

It was UGLY, and painful.
But I learned a valuable lesson.

Be careful and be aware of the outcome of all your actions.

Keep the darn welding sparks well away from the batteries and do not have the charger turned on and plugged in if there are any sparks or open flames in the vicinity.

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Old 07/10/10, 01:04 PM
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You can WELD with a battery and set jumper cables and some rod, not real nice looking weld, cause you dont have lot control, but yep, can join two chunks quarter inch steel without lot trouble.
Ironicly, I just used that method yesterday on my 5x10 trailer. Welder at home, mesh floor came loose. I carry a 12v battery for the winch, and in a pinch it fixed the problem.
Used this method quite a few times in the past.
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Old 07/21/10, 10:52 AM
 
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Good additions. I worked for a farmer one summer that always had a cigarette in his mouth. He paid for it one day when leaning over a charging battery. It blew up and blew acid all over his face. Luckily he had a garden hose nearby and was able to quickly dilute the acid so that it only did minor damage.
Yup I have known 3 people that happened to by hooking up jumper cables on a charging battery.

It's why I always hook up the positive jumper cable first, and then connect the negative jumper cable to a solid ground on the chassis, away from the top of the battery to eliminate any chance of sparking and exploding the battery.


As for the welders folks are talking about, you can buy some pretty slick battery welding rigs out there for use from a truck etc. the big ones even come with a higher amp alternator and battery packs and wire feed rigs for 24 volt welding.
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