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Did Alice Chalmers make small bulldozers?
I have a D19 with a gas engine. I want something that will get throught the snow better to get to the woods for collecting maple sap. I was thinking that if I could find an alice chalmers dozer with a blown engine, and it took the same engine that my D19 has, I could just swap engines.
I can do the work. That isnt my question.
My queation is did alice chalmers make a dozer that uses the same engine that the gas D19 does?
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08/04/08, 05:47 PM
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I don't know about allis engines, but if you post on yesterdays tractors I am sure somebody on there will be able to answer that question for you.
Unless your sugarbush is really flat dozers are a poor choice for collecting sap. They have a tendancy to slide sideways and jack knife your collection trailer tearing up the hitch or the track when you attempt to straighten it out.
We used an old john deer dozer to break the trails and then used a 9n with half tracks for collecting.
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08/04/08, 07:07 PM
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Allis made small dozers.
Don't know about engines.
Do a search for antique tractors
and you'll find all kinds of stuff.
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08/04/08, 07:21 PM
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Good friend of mine used a small Allis dozer or years but like David I have no idea what engine was in it!
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Yes AC made small dozers. I want to say they used the same engine as some of the Gleaner combines, but I could be wrong too. Haven't been wrong since suppertime so I'm overdue.
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08/04/08, 08:09 PM
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I want to say the small AC dozers were Dresser clones but I wouldn't stake much on that!
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08/05/08, 02:02 AM
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thanks everybody
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08/05/08, 09:38 AM
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You could sell the tractor and buy lines and a vacuum system....eliminate collection all together.
If you have a desire to look traditional hang some buckets near the roads and run lines everywhere else.
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08/05/08, 12:16 PM
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I think your d19 has a 262 6 cylinder doesnt it ? (may be off I forgot what my gleaner has )
you can find those on old Gleaners for a little of nothing .
older Ac dozers came in all kinds of shapes and sizes .
The smallest I believe used the D14 engine .
if you have a decent machine shop nearly any old dozer will work though Ive seen cats with chevy 350s for engines .
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08/05/08, 07:40 PM
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wow....neat machine...wounder what that costs....probably more than several good years of sugaring could bring in.
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08/07/08, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PyroDon
I think your d19 has a 262 6 cylinder doesnt it ?
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I knew what size it was at one time. It was close to that
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older Ac dozers came in all kinds of shapes and sizes .
The smallest I believe used the D14 engine .
if you have a decent machine shop nearly any old dozer will work though Ive seen cats with chevy 350s for engines .
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Ive thought about that too.
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08/07/08, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarbush
You could sell the tractor and buy lines and a vacuum system....eliminate collection all together.
If you have a desire to look traditional hang some buckets near the roads and run lines everywhere else.
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Getting the tubing set up in pices small enough to remove after the season, and getting everything marked so it can go back to the same trees next season takes a person with strong organisational skills. I just dont know if I can do it. I am considering using buckets only.
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08/07/08, 02:10 PM
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I need something that can drag a trailor that will weigh 3 or 4 thousand pounds through waist deep snow that is almost hard enough to drive on top of, but just when you get your tires up on top, they fall through and the truck, or tractor, or trailor is sitting on its axle.
ATVs look neat in magazine ads with 2 or 3 square bales on them driving a across a dry flat hayfield in the summer to feed a single cow, but they are just toys. They cant get any abount of real work done, and are terribly expensive.
This tractor is my dads, and it cant pull a loaded trailor through the woods in february, and march. There is just to much snow.
An ATV sure isnt going to do it, and it isnt going to pull a school bus frame with 14 round bales on it.
The work that I need to get done just cant be done with small equipment.
Im considering a dozer, or something like this for just 3 or 4 thousand dollars.
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08/07/08, 03:10 PM
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those articulating case tractors are awsome.....a little big for sugaring i think though  ..... I am thinking of the ruts that thing would carve out towards the end of the season......you would need a dozer then to smooth everything back over.
I think you should be able to find an 8n or 9n and a set of half tracks for 3 k or less.... Ours would pull an 800 gal collection tank on an old manure spreader through neck deep snow like it was nothing.....
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3D1%26hl%3Den
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08/07/08, 03:20 PM
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Wonder what it would cost to ship to Michigan?
http://nh.craigslist.org/grd/786654339.html
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A-C made ---> HD-3, HD-4, HD-6B, 6E, 6EP, HD-11B, 11E, 11EP and a couple of other sizes.
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08/20/08, 10:35 AM
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hmmm. that's interesting
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08/20/08, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sammy
A-C made ---> HD-3, HD-4, HD-6B, 6E, 6EP, HD-11B, 11E, 11EP and a couple of other sizes.
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thank you
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