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Old 04/01/11, 11:19 AM
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Where do they NOT care about building codes?

My family is looking to move, and we are obviously going to build a safe place to live, but want it to be as cheap and money-efficient as possible. Not having to worry about permits and such would really help with that.

So I was wondering if there is a place (Alaska, maybe?) where you don't have to have all the permits and such to build?

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Old 04/01/11, 12:14 PM
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May rural areas in the southeast are still that way, but you better hurry, and do your homework to be sure of the local rules. Also, be advised that most states have adopted standard building codes such as IRC 2009. Even if your local jurisdiction doesn't care, you could still be in violation at the state level. Whether anyone every finds out is the risk you have to take. It's like taking the emission equipment off of your car because your state doesn't inspect for it. You're still in violation of federal law.

Another thing to check on is whether you can get insurance on an un-inspected house.

Personally, I wish they would leave people alone who have rural property and want to build their own place on it, at their own risk. Unfortunately, the government knows what's best for everyone.

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Old 04/01/11, 01:28 PM
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Yeah, I think if it's your property, it's your property. End of story. But whatever. Only thing now is to do what we can, as fast as we can, before regulations change again...

As a side note, how many new regulations, ect, DON'T make .gov any money?

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Old 04/01/11, 02:45 PM
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My family is looking to move, and we are obviously going to build a safe place to live, but want it to be as cheap and money-efficient as possible. Not having to worry about permits and such would really help with that.

So I was wondering if there is a place (Alaska, maybe?) where you don't have to have all the permits and such to build?
I had to purchase 1 permit for my cabin. $25 land use fee and only because it was in the Mat-Su Borough. If you are even thinking about heading to Alaska. You need to really think it out right now. Our economy usually lags the lower 48 be a year or 2 and it is starting to get ugly. I know of several construction outfits that went under last fall and 7 more this spring. I ice fish with iron workers that have been without since fall and only have one project on the books for this summer.

Fuel is expensive, food is expensive, materials are not cheap. This is from another forum, but it really hits home.

Here they come

I went to walmart in wasilla yesterday and their was a young guy standing at the exit holding signs like the homeless do in Seattle. I rolled down my window and asked what was up the guy said he just moved here w/ his wife and kids and they didn't have enough gas to make it to his in-laws in anchorage. I slipped him a meager offering and went on my way, from seward meridian to lucille st I counted 4 friggn u-hauls, all w/ mom and pop eyeballing where they're gonna pull over so mom can poop because she hasn't since they left Topeka kansas. It aint pretty folks....we may need to pool our money and run some ads in newspapers and the internet warning people that moving here isn't the answer. I've now seen 4 homeless people in Wasilla this spring holding signs asking for a handout, thats 4 more than I have ever seen before. Don't say I didn't warn you....
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There are lots of places left with no building codes.....mostly rural places.

Off the top of my head is Mo. , Tenn, Ks.....there are plenty more...you just have to go rural farmland and stay out of the cities/towns.

Most cities/towns will have them anywhere you look because your structure could pose a threat to the others in town.

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Old 04/01/11, 03:28 PM
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Old 04/01/11, 05:02 PM
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I live in south central KY and most areas around here have no building codes. As long as you do not live within the city limits you can build whatever you like. In fact, since I am not connected to the electric grid I had no inspections at all (using a composting toilet-no septic). While building the house I lived in one of those prebuilt barns that are delivered on a trailer.

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Old 04/01/11, 05:35 PM
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Lot of places in TX only require septic permit.

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I think the question should be where one can live & work that doesn't have building codes.
We found a few counties in the southern tier of New York that are less regulated but employment is hard to come by.

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Old 04/01/11, 08:56 PM
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WV is another state without building codes in rural areas. You will still have to get a permit for a septic system or well if you hire someone to do the work. Every county will have a sanitarian. Rural counties don't hire building code inspectors.

Like the poster from Alaska mentioned, jobs can be scarce. WV is also a state that lags the nation as far as job recovery and job loss.

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Old 04/02/11, 05:37 PM
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Lot of places in TX only require septic permit.
And, as long as you have over ten acres, it's pretty easy to just put in a regular old septic. No building permits or codes out here in the country. Build it yourself, and you can go tar paper shanty to castle, without pesky interference.
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Old 04/02/11, 07:18 PM
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I've built my cabin without having to deal with codes. I like that. In general, I'm certain that things would stand up to code, just don't want the hassle. However, I am 3 miles back in the woods accessible only by ATV, so no one really knows we are there.

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Old 04/03/11, 10:59 PM
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Most of rural Kansas requires nothing more than septic approval. You can install it yourself, but it has to pass inspection. Other than that, though, no codes, permitting, etc.
Nebraska is similar, but if I'm not mistaken, there is an electrical code that has to be passed rather than septic.
Both of the Dakotas are quite liberal with their building rules (as in, most places dont' have them ) and I'm sure the list goes on.

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Old 04/03/11, 11:54 PM
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Missouri, Tennessee, and Kentucky are a few I can think of off the top of my head- but it is only in rural areas that there aren't building codes...In some counties in Missouri(maybe all?)outhouses are permitted because they don't endanger groundwater. We used to have some land in MO but never got to do anything with it due to a divorce. I don't think there is much work there though.

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Here in South Cental KY where I live the only code is a septic approval but you can install yourself and if there is no eletrical service on the property you will have to have the firmarshell come out once you are done building. Which he only looks at stuff like you have exits and a couple of working smoke detectors. Those are state laws, other then that good to go. There are some jobs in the area as long as you are willing to drive about 30 one way.

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Old 04/04/11, 07:52 PM
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My family is looking to move, and we are obviously going to build a safe place to live, but want it to be as cheap and money-efficient as possible. Not having to worry about permits and such would really help with that.

So I was wondering if there is a place (Alaska, maybe?) where you don't have to have all the permits and such to build?
In unorganised townships in Maine you have to buy a permit to build, but it isn't much & they aren't fussy about what you build.
They're not all over the place but the trailer-build-around isn't uncommon. That must be about the cheapest way to build. Take one not new cheap mobile home, set it up on cement pads or blocks (a gravel pad is nice if you can), then encase with a house - you already have the heat, water, wiring & plumbing.
You can make a strong roof & have much better insulation.
You can also have just an outhouse & a greywater bed, but this will have to be designed by a 'soil scientist' for about $200 - that is the 1st step in getting your building permit. You will have to tell this person that you will have hand-carried (or hand pumped) water only.
Just don't expect to be able to sell it easily later.
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didn't maine adopt the national building code last year?

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Check WV.

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Forget Pennsylvania... It is a beautiful state but began enforcing universal code in 2004. The latest amendment was to require a sprinkling system but we fought them off so far. We have a fire alarm requirement but they wanted this charged system that would work even with the loss of electricity. It also required periodical inspections. If I was younger i would leave this state and go to Missouri !!!!

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TN adopted national building code.

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Old 04/05/11, 07:54 PM
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So did Kansas. But single family dwellings are exempted. (I have no idea why. lol)
But I would bet we're not the only state that does such a thing.

Individual communities, on the other hand, often have stricter codes and regs than the state does.

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WV is another state without building codes in rural areas. You will still have to get a permit for a septic system or well if you hire someone to do the work. Every county will have a sanitarian. Rural counties don't hire building code inspectors.

Like the poster from Alaska mentioned, jobs can be scarce. WV is also a state that lags the nation as far as job recovery and job loss.
I was pleasantly surprised to find this out then I moved to WV from MI. My wife and I both lost our jobs in MI and had to move here. Plenty of tech jobs and very cheap cost of living... north central WV anyways.
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Old 04/10/11, 09:56 PM
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no codes in Missouri in the country except septic tanks and i think if you have over 3 acres or so you can get by with a lagoon,not sure...

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Here in Hatchie anything goes. It is rural Tippah County. Septic, no septic (some folks simply run a pipe out to the back of the property and let her rip). The farmhouse we are restoring has the pipe run out to the back of the ridge and no septic but, I refuse to live that way and we will be installing a septic tank--nothing more rank than being in the yard and smelling sewage, YUCK! Did that at the Victorian we lived at before when our sewage pipe broke. Fortunately, the house is completely off grid while we work on it and we will be doing new wiring, new plumbing, new septic, etc. before we move into it. I think the trailer we are living in next to the house has a septic tank, at least I have found no evidence in the woods that it doesn't so I hope.

Of course, the drawback to this is that there are some really big trash heap places around. It is kind of funny going down the road and passing a high dollar new house with a landscaped yard then the next homestead is a redneck double wide (two single wides side by side) with a garbage dump worth of carp all over the property around it. This is what is taking up my time since we got here in october. I have been cleaning up the property of 40 years worth of accumulated trash since I refuse to live this way. It is a nice break to get to work on the house once in a while.

All in all, around here folks still operate with the mentality that you have the right to do what you want to on your own property without interference from government types.

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Here in Hatchie anything goes. It is rural Tippah County. Septic, no septic (some folks simply run a pipe out to the back of the property and let her rip). The farmhouse we are restoring has the pipe run out to the back of the ridge and no septic but, I refuse to live that way and we will be installing a septic tank--nothing more rank than being in the yard and smelling sewage, .
If done right, you won't smell sewage. Run it off into a enough vegetation and you won't smell anything.
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Well, where I live in MO there aren't any inspectors, codes,restrictions. Know people with outhouses. We have a lagoon sewer system....no,it doesn't smell. Our lines were blocked and one guy said, oh, you can't have a lagoon anymore. Funny but that wasn't true. Think he was out to spend our money. Over by the bigger cities they are all about codes but funny, tornados keep blowing thru and those "inspected" houses are the first to go. This old place was built with oak timbers from the farm; place farmed for over 120 years and I've never seen an inspector in the 22 years I've lived here...when we remodeled we did our electric to code on our own; same with exits,etc. but no fees or somebody snooping around . DEE

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Old 04/14/11, 12:19 PM
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Lots of places don't care about building codes. I could use one stud for each side of my house if I wanted, but they would still get me for the permit. 6k in my county.

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What state are you in EstH? 6k is a huge amount for a building permit.

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You ought to see what it costs all told. I am remodeling, so my permit is $1500. You need a road entrance permit ($150), a septic permit ($500??) a water meter ($5000 minimum), then you get to pay property taxes on it forever.

In town it's even worse. I looked at a lot in town, it's $50k before you even break ground.

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actually all do or shortly will in the coming years . but there are plenty of areas with no code enforcement officers

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