Is hunting KOSHER?

[CrashTestRanch]

Seems to me on the surface, that hunting is NOT kosher, as one cannot bleed out the animal properly... your thoughts?

[Ed Norman]

You could hunt hogs with a knife and dogs, but then you have that pork problem to deal with.

I read an old late 1800s book on an African expedition. They had a bunch of Muslim porters, and they want the animal bled out, too. They ran completely out of meat and finally saw an antelope, which the British guy shot. It fell over dead. The Muslims rushed it, slit the throat, and had a discussion about the drips of blood. They finally agreed that they got there in time and bled it properly, and had a great meal.

[Oldcountryboy]

All you got to do is soak the steaks in cold water and it will remove the blood from within. The way I figure it, it is almost impossible to completely bleed a live animal out. They will die before all blood is released from within the muscle tissue. I have never in my life yet cook any meat, be it fried or roasted, that didn't have a certain amount of blood ooze up to the top and drip off to the side. In my opinion, making a animal bleed to death is not Kosher either.

[pheasantplucker]

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or argumentative...I thought Kosher meant that it was from specific animals (avoiding some animals), and the particular cut of meat from the animal (mostly shoulders and nothing from the back half of the animal) and that a rabbi then had to bless the meat. Probably shows my ignorance on the subject. I guess I never understood why this was a big deal to cultures. To me, meat is meat. It's all good. I don't consider it "sinful" or wrong to eat any of it. Avoiding cuts, to me seems wasteful. Enlighten me, please...

[Haggis]

Originally Posted by pheasantplucker

Probably shows my ignorance on the subject. I guess I never understood why this was a big deal to cultures. To me, meat is meat. It's all good. I don't consider it "sinful" or wrong to eat any of it. Avoiding cuts, to me seems wasteful. Enlighten me, please...

Aye, "meat is meat" and the bloodier the better! as the saying goes, "I like my steaks lively enough that a good vet could have the steer back on its feet in a minute", and I be the same about mostly any sort of red meat.

"Rites", "Rituals", "Religion", "Rubbish"; it has always seemed to me that religions of any sort were more about controlling the "Great Hairy Unwashed" by keeping them living in fear and/or misery.

[EDDIE BUCK]

Shoot,Shoot,Shoot,eat,eat

Acts 10:12-15

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

[keyhole]

I have found that once I shoot a deer, slit it's throat, and hang it upside down....it bleeds out pretty good.

But like Oldcountryboy said you can also soak your meat in cold water. I have been known to do that inside of tubs in the extra fridge in the garage.

[Pops2]

one of the other seargents at my last command was jewish & practiced the dietary restrictions. he was completely fine w/ eating deer meat.

[naturelover]

http://www.koshercertification.org.uk/whatdoe.html

According to the laws of the Torah, to be eaten, a kosher species must be slaughtered by a "Schochet," a ritual slaughterer. Since Jewish Law prohibits causing any pain to animals, the slaughtering has to be effected in such a way that unconsciousness is instantaneous and death occurs almost instantaneously.

After the animal is slaughtered, the Kosher Supervisor and his team treiber the carcass by removing certain forbidden fats and veins. After the meat has been treibered, it is soaked in a bath in room temperature water for a half hour. To draw out the blood, the soaked meat is then placed on special salting tables where it is salted with coarse salt on both sides for one hour.

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[CrashTestRanch]

but deer and other wild animals listed are considered kosher, so how is this accomplished?

[steff bugielski]

It must be killed by slitting it's throat with the proper knife in one movement. One could trap the animal, restrain it then slit it's throat. Then it i will be kosher as long as the animal's organs are healthy and clean. It then must be butchered according to Jewish law.

[pheasantplucker]

And eating "kosher" vs. "nonkosher" will accomplish...? How does it have any effect of the life of the person who eats it? I don't know nor do I care if the meat I eat is kosher. Just curious as to why someone would care, besides..."my religion tells me to".

[JJ Grandits]

How can you tell if the animal is Jewish?

[Immaculate Sublimity]

How do they bleed out and de-vein Kosher Dill Pickles?

[Sully]

When I hunted deer, I went for a heart/lung shot with a high velocity bullet. Animal dropped in its tracks and bled out inside.

When I gutted the deer, there was a pool of blood inside the cavity.

The reason I wanted the deer to bleed heavily was not some foolish mysterious rite that only a "holy man" could possibly do. It was to get good tasting venison.

I worked as a meat cutter years ago and can take apart and package any animal I need to.
I also worked as a food safety inspector and I know how to keep meat safe to eat. I don't need religious doctrine to show me the right way.

If I have offended anyone...your problem.

God gave us reason, man gave us religion.

[steff bugielski]

only some wild animals are kosher.
The cloven hoof, cud chewing still applies to wild animals. For example bears are not kosher but elk are.

[CrashTestRanch]

Originally Posted by steff bugielski

It must be killed by slitting it's throat with the proper knife in one movement. One could trap the animal, restrain it then slit it's throat. Then it i will be kosher as long as the animal's organs are healthy and clean. It then must be butchered according to Jewish law.

Originally Posted by steff bugielski

only some wild animals are kosher.
The cloven hoof, cud chewing still applies to wild animals. For example bears are not kosher but elk are.

thanks steff ...

[Sully]

I would like to apologize to all for my post/rant. If someone asks politely how to make a peanut butter sandwich, you don't reply telling them you hate peanut butter, always have, always will.

I am a bit touchy about doctrine trying to tell me how to complicate simple tasks.
There are no "unclean" animals, and I don't much care if the critter is facing Mecca or Minnesota.

Looks like the question was asked and answered, so take my opinions if you wish.

Respectfully, Sully.

[CrashTestRanch]

all is well Sully, I did a simple google for kosher hunting and you would be surprised at the content out there, apparently hunting is NOT kosher per quite a few rabbi and is a very heated debate ...

[CrashTestRanch]

hey Steff, if you're still following this thread, do you have any idea where I could find ancient Jewish trapping techniques that were used on wild kosher animals?