The 5.7x-- Looks like a good Survival pistol !

[fordy]

..............Was watching the news and they showed the 5.7 as the preferred pistola for the Mexican mafia ! Said it's average cost was 800 to 850 . Is anyone considering purchasing one of these weapons as a survival item ? The penetration capability of this pistol would make it very desirable for both a carry item and for survival consideration as well . The down side seems to be the availability of ammo and it's relatively , high cost . , fordy

[tallpaul]

With just the rounds available to us civilians as of now I don't find it appealing. It may have a role but I don't think it is a good choice for the person with a limited collection.

I also don't believe its "the preferred pistol" for any mob... remember the news is all about hype and not reality. I would need to see real data before I believed it was making those kind of inroads in any organization.

The mexicans are restricted from owning military chambered guns so if the 5.7 is gaining in popularity it may just be easier than some others to aquire if the story is true.

I think the FN subgun/carbine in 5.7 with the full auto capability is a worthwhile system but us mere civilians can no own one unless we happen to be a class 2 manufacterer or dealer that sells to LE or military. They are too new to be on the reqistry of civilian legal full auto that was closed in 1986

[pred]

I think that fact that it holds about 17 or 19 in the mag is attractive to some.
I am a revolver guy myself, But a good old Colt 1911 is always a reliable sidearm as well.
Peter

[Snakeoil]

I'll take a 40 cal S&W JHP any day.

[hunter63]

I'll stick with "hardware store" caliber cambering.
Kind of a wheel gun guy myself.
Intersting though.

[fordy]

..............The articles I've read on this pistol caliber , all point out two very important points , (1)the penetration ability , i.e. 48 layers of protective vest , and (2)Almost no recoil which enhances one's ability to hit the target . Isn't the composite effect of these two factors the very essence of what one would look for in a light weight weapon for both carry and home invasion ? , fordy

[hunter63]

Let us know how you like it.
Where are you getting ammo for it?

[fordy]

Originally Posted by hunter63

Let us know how you like it.
Where are you getting ammo for it?

............As much as I believe in this weapon , It is alittle out of my budget ! For 1,000 I can pay 2 months of my living exp's , or I could simply put it on M.Card but I'm not going down that road , again . Ultimately , I believe their Importation will be stopped , and ammo will cease too become available ; because this caliber is such an effective killer of men ! Is that not a testment too it's lethality , I believe such is the Case ! , fordy

[Ed Norman]

Originally Posted by tallpaul

I also don't believe its "the preferred pistol" for any mob... remember the news is all about hype and not reality. I would need to see real data before I believed it was making those kind of inroads in any organization.

The mexicans are restricted from owning military chambered guns so if the 5.7 is gaining in popularity it may just be easier than some others to aquire if the story is true.

It is heartening to hear that the Mexican mob obeys their gun laws.

A friend ordered one for a customer several months ago. It remains unfired because he has never found a single round for it to fire.

[hunter63]

Is that 5.7x28mm ?

[fordy]

Originally Posted by hunter63

Let us know how you like it.
Where are you getting ammo for it?

...............Ammo isn't a problem own here in central tx . It's currently available at Cheaper than dirt , and they also had some at the Gibsons store in weatherford , tx . , fordy

[tallpaul]

Originally Posted by Ed Norman

It is heartening to hear that the Mexican mob obeys their gun laws.

A friend ordered one for a customer several months ago. It remains unfired because he has never found a single round for it to fire.

Its about availability sometimes or not standing out but then again you are totally right- they will just get whatever with the drug shipments etc.

You ammo availability story is exactly what I was pointing out and ya did not get

[tallpaul]

Originally Posted by fordy

..............The articles I've read on this pistol caliber , all point out two very important points , (1)the penetration ability , i.e. 48 layers of protective vest , and (2)Almost no recoil which enhances one's ability to hit the target . Isn't the composite effect of these two factors the very essence of what one would look for in a light weight weapon for both carry and home invasion ? , fordy

The super duper armor piercing stuff is restricted to LE for the most part although I imagine like anything else it can be found- or was before the madness that is here now in ammo.

Penetration is nice but .22 caliber non expanding is not always a great bet in stopping power...

personally lightness is great for a carry pistol but I have no use for a home invasion pistol- I don't commit crimes, I do however have use for a home invasion protection piece

A good defensive gun is a balance between penetration and stopping power... low recoil is not generally a factor in hitting yopur target. It does however help with fast follow up shots.

Real street data is not widely available yet on the round.... we will see.



As far as the 20 round statement 20 rounders for Glock and sig are common in 9mm which with decent ammo is not a terrible round.

If I am worried about armor I will be keeping a suitable rifle or carbine around.

[Michael Kawalek]

One factor I consider for a "survival gun" is the ability to make ammunition for it. Realisticly, I could make .44, or .357 or 9mm ammo in front of a campfire in the woods (well, I could, though I haven't). Don't think I could if all I had was a 5.7X28.

Seems like ammo availability is the most critical restriction here. What happens if you can't order a case of 5.7 from CTD? Without ammo it's just a very expensive hammer!
Michael