Is "baiting" & "trapping" really hunting?

[Nel frattempo]

Is "baiting" & "trapping" really hunting?
(Note: This is NOT a discussion about the "right" or "wrong" of hunting in general please. We are asking for opinions, ideas and input from those who do hunt or who know people who do hunt. We are also not looking for a legal opinion, we know what the law says.)

Wild Boar have returned to our property. This happens about once per year, is usually taken care of by the Hunters who live on the next property (when they make several kills - the pigs leave the area for a while), however this year they have not yet hunted. Several people have asked for permission to Hunt the Wild Boar on our property. Through experience (that would be another story) we have learned to ask several questions before allowing someone to come over here with guns/bows - and in questioning - the topic of trapping (metal or wood traps baited with corn), baiting, and "real hunting" has come up.

We are trying to settle things in our minds about whether or not it is "OK" to trap the pigs, bait the pigs, and whether or not that is really "hunting" and is there a distinction about it within the hunting community? We are trying to understand the bigger picture so we can make up our own minds. (Leave OUT the Legal issues please - we already know what the local Laws say about it.)
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[tallpaul]

If you are smart and value your land you will allow all of the ways mentioned... Gogs in an area can really cause damage to fields and habitat and are not a native species. Hogs have several litters of several a year vs deers one or two fawns... it does not take long for them to get out of control if they are not kept in check.

Hunting is like war- you don't play and ya do what it takes to win especially with a "pest" species...

baiting and trapping are fine if ya don't let the critters in the trap for undue times without food n water- the traps need checked on a regular basis to be fair and humane.

[ovendoctor]

if ya got rats or mice getting into your preps,wat ya gonna do about it

the wild pigs are no different,be careful they like big preps :1pig:

[CoonXpress]

Opps, just found out this is a cross post with one in HQ sub-forum.

[cowgirlone]

CoonXpress, there isn't a mod for the outdoor forum. Looks like Nel frattempo might have copied his post from some place else and reposted it here.

IMO, trapping is the same as hunting, as long as you outsmart the animal, it should not matter. Just my opinion.
So far we have no wild hogs in this area, I hear they are about 2 1/2 hrs away so I'm sure they will get here eventually.

[CoonXpress]

CG1, I just realized the mistake.

As for the feral pigs in your area. I used to hunt them over by Logan, around 9 years ago.

[cowgirlone]

Originally Posted by CoonXpress

CG1, I just realized the mistake.

As for the feral pigs in your area. I used to hunt them over by Logan, around 9 years ago.

Wow, that's close!

[CoonXpress]

There is/was a greyhound breeder in that area, on the river, and I delivered feed to him.
Low paying job, but had access to over ½ million acres of private land in Ok, Ks, Tx, NM, Ar and La.
If it had paid $1/hr more, I would've stayed, and kept all the contacts I made.

[cowgirlone]

Can you think of his last name? My mind is a blank right now.......I used to hunt mushrooms on the river over that way, I've been to the place that raises greyhounds, they were friends of my DH.
DH is not here right now or I would ask him. lol!

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

you have been influenced by some hunting purist ideology.

that is BS i love to hunting but i only spend one weekend a year doing it the rest of the time i hunt by opertunity . if a deer is wandering in the backyard i go out after it and i consider it putting meat in the freezer rather than sport. by the way this is the way meat had been put on the table for over a hundred years in our fammily.

besides you are not talking about hunting at all
no, you are talking about land managment/ nusence speicies removal this is quite a different thing from hunting anyway
if you have hogs tearing up crops , ruining fences ,or otherwise causing damage then any (goverment accepted) method is fine unless it poses danger to people or unintended animals . so pretty much poision is out , traps that would pose danger to livestock or people you get the idea.

any other method is fine for removal of nucance anamals . howevery if this means shooting from the bed room window , use hearing protection it is very loud when you shoot inside. live traps , rifle ,shotgun ,claymmore mine (all mines should be trigered by you not trip wire, but i dout this is goverment aproved)
you get the idea

[Haggis]

"Baiting" has become a "class" related term; much as rich folk "embezzle" while poor folk "steal". Baiting is when a person (generally without land of their own or while hunting/trapping on land that is not their own) puts out "food" to draw target animals in to be killed or trapped, while those who own their own land can plant a "food plot" then kill or trap animals coming in to these "'natural' food suppliments".

Here at Wolf Cairn Moor, one may legally plant an alfalfa patch to draw deer in for shooting, but if one were to place a bale of "imported" alfalfa for the purpose of hunting over it, it would be a crime. If maize could grow here one might legally put out a small crop for shooting such varmints as eat ears of maize, but to import a bushel of maize from one end of our land to the other for the purpose of hunting/trapping over it, would be illegal.

If it is morally acceptable to "suppliment" an animal into range for hunting or trapping over planted "bait", it is morally acceptable to "suppliment" an animal into range for hunting or trapping over imported "bait"; though the local CO's in some states may harshly disagree.

I would say that anyone hunting or trapping an area where animals are naturally coming to feed are in point of fact hunting over "bait", but then bedding areas are also a form of "bait", as are trails or watering holes. Were I you, I wouldn't let the term "bait" get too far stuck in my craw.

[CoonXpress]

I wish I could remember any of the names I delivered too.
There's only 1 breeders name that i can remember, and that's only because his son is on another forum I go to.

[Nel frattempo]

Thank you everyone for the input and discussion. We are especially interested in the post by Haggis about the "class" issues! Good discussion points. Thank you to everyone.

[Pops2]

Nel
checkout my reply in the other section

Cowgirlone & Coonxpress
is that a racing breeder or was he breeding coldbloods?

[cowgirlone]

Pops2, The fellow I am referring to breeds them to hunt coyotes.
CoonXpress, I did find out that his name is Kenneth Corenealson, but DH said that there are several that raise them in that area.

[Nel frattempo]

Thank you -- I did post in the other section since folks over there seem to post an answer more often......and it is interesting even when it gets off topic. We did today let a man bring a huge cage type trap. He did bait it with corn and bread and he will come collect the pig and take it home to feed and later "harvest" for meat. He also said he will leave it here as long as he keeps getting pigs. I just have to get rid of them since they have torn up two garden sections already. Thank you for all the comments.

[Pops2]

CG1
i'll have to look him up as i head back to NC, i would love to get my hands on a good big coldblood bitch.

[CoonXpress]

Pops, the breeders I delivered to were all racers. At the time, '98 & '99, Ok was the #1 Greyhound breeder state.

CG1, only thing I remember was that he was close to the river bed.

[zant]

My son has told me I'm NOT a hunter because I sit up on my front porch with my heavy barrel tac rifle with mildot scope and shoot deer in my field 200-300yds away.I agree with him,I'm harvesting deer for my freezer and stomach.....A friend is a guide in Maine and has offered to take me out black bear "hunting"over 55gal drums of donuts,I have always declined.I won't put anyone else down for doing it but it's not for me.