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Old 09/02/11, 04:19 PM
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what kind of garlic do they grow in china?

I bought some garlic to grow 4-5 years ago. I've grown it here for awhile. It kind of reminds me of Italian purple. It was marked grown in china when i bought it.

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It was most likely grown with the American market in mind so it could be just about anything that we would grow here.

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Just about ALL of the garlic sold here is marked from China. Have you ever noticed how blemish free it is??? Makes me wonder what kind of chemical things they might use. I've started growing my own again because of it.

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Just about ALL of the garlic sold here is marked from China. Have you ever noticed how blemish free it is??? Makes me wonder what kind of chemical things they might use. I've started growing my own again because of it.
First, sadly, China's garlic is known to be grown in human sewerage contaminated ground, they spray anti fungal and a preservative to retard it from sprouting, I would not buy it ever! You do not need to buy Garlic grown outside of the USA. There are choices if you check your labels and also organic. I grow my own and highly recommend this to everyone else too. They will grow in pots, tires anything you put a good fertile well draining soil in and full sun...

Here is a not so pretty right out the ground, brushed a little dirt off Garlic.



Here is the same type with the outer dry wrapper off



Garlic that is pesticide free and untreated stores wonderfully and last me all winter and into the summer! No reason to put anything on it nature didn't.. No they are not perfect but they have a taste...oh nothing quite like it! Your own garlic...yummy Aren't you glad you grow again?
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There is nothing that can be sprayed on garlic to prevent it from sprouting. Chinese garlic is just as likely to sprout in the store as American garlic will. One may find some bulbs where the roots are trimmed too close and the base of the cloves are damaged. That's because of zero soil allowance from any country.

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WHY would anybody want garlic shipped all the way from China?? I had good success growing garlic, first time out, even though we had a long, wet spring & hot, dry July. It is sold embarrassingly cheaply hereabouts at farm markets, too. Sue

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I will have to check where my garlic comes from. I plant the garlic from the store. This may be a little off topic, but does anyone know why garlic prices in the stored doubled and tripled since last year? I could not afford to plant garlic last year and I have rarely been able to afford to buy some for cooking.

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I will have to check where my garlic comes from. I plant the garlic from the store. This may be a little off topic, but does anyone know why garlic prices in the stored doubled and tripled since last year? I could not afford to plant garlic last year and I have rarely been able to afford to buy some for cooking.
You do know once you have some of it even if it is store bought you can save your own seed right?
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There is nothing that can be sprayed on garlic to prevent it from sprouting. Chinese garlic is just as likely to sprout in the store as American garlic will. One may find some bulbs where the roots are trimmed too close and the base of the cloves are damaged. That's because of zero soil allowance from any country.

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Back when I first started my garden i didn't know that you could get garlic starts from the producers on the web, so I bought some from wal-mart. I think they had California white. 6 bulbs of that planted my small patch and grew quite well for a few years. Till they froze out one year.
So your right they do not put any thing on them to stop sprouting.
As far as buying the Chinesse garlic for starts, i have done it twice. it was a small net tube of 5 bulbs for $1. Soft neck I think. Currently I have the 4th generation grown from those starts. Was the contaminants on those that I bought, maybe. But the stuff we are using grown from those probably doesn't have very much left on them, if any.
Now most of my garlic that I grow is from Martin. Unfortunetly I mixed up the labels on them, so once a year i try to figure out the varietys in an attept to make sure i continue to grow all the varietys. Sadly the pictures on the web and my garlic don't look much alike. Then to top it off, my computer crashed and the information on the variety's i had named was lost.
i am thinking i might take a sample of each of them to a grower near her and see if he can help me identify them once and for all. One of the varietys is producing a 4 inch bulb now. So I would love to know the name of it.
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You do know once you have some of it even if it is store bought you can save your own seed right?
Seeds from the flower head, or cloves from the bulb?


I have no luck getting my garlic to head in my container garden, and the few times that it worked I had to leave the garlic in the ground a long, long time. What I do, or what I use to do when garlic was cheaper, is that I plant them in fall and harvest the garlic tops in early spring. I just eat the tops and usually make a strong pesto out of the tops. I have to do it this way because I need to clear the garlic out of my tiny garden in early spring to make way for my spring plantings of my other crops.
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Seeds from the flower head, or cloves from the bulb?


I have no luck getting my garlic to head in my container garden, and the few times that it worked I had to leave the garlic in the ground a long, long time. What I do, or what I use to do when garlic was cheaper, is that I plant them in fall and harvest the garlic tops in early spring. I just eat the tops and usually make a strong pesto out of the tops. I have to do it this way because I need to clear the garlic out of my tiny garden in early spring to make way for my spring plantings of my other crops.
So You don't have enough room to leave even 3 bulbs grown from the cloves to maturity. I think i would have to make room just so i have my own starts.
We grow garlic greens to. But usually we stick the smallest cloves in the ground in the fall and pull the whole plant in early spring.
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Is three enough? I usually plant the cloves from ten heads in the fall.

I guess I could find the room for three. It would be fun to try.

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Is three enough? I usually plant the cloves from ten heads in the fall.

I guess I could find the room for three. It would be fun to try.
I guess that's up to you, but i would find enough room so you are growing your own seed/starters., Garlic seems to be getting more expensive and hard to come by.
What I saw at the grocery store was terrible last week.
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I am going to try it.

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WHY would anybody want garlic shipped all the way from China??
It's because of the suitable acreage not even being able to come close to satisfy the demand. Even the California processors must have garlic hauled from Washington and Oregon. Besides, there are a lot of real neat varieties which originated in China and some are making their way onto the North American marketplace. Even the Chinese know that the everyday California Early is the bottom of the barrel insofar as garlic taste goes but they have to grow it to satisfy the market.

As for the previous mention of how clean they are, We Grow Garlic was selling garlic for both planting and eating until this year. When sold for eating, it had to be squeaky clean without a speck of dirt. At harvest time last year, there were up to a dozen people washing and removing one or two layers of skin from each individual bulb. Even at minimum farm labor wage for high school students, that was the biggest expense after postage. That was eliminated this year in favor of just pressure washing whole piles and there is no longer a mention of having the option of planting or eating. Just like seed potatoes, there can also be some dirt on seed garlic.

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Romy - What kind of HUGE garlic is that in the photo?????? Kim

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I don't think there is many dishes that get cooked with out garlic or a country that doesn't use garlic. So I can see that the demand would be very high.

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I don't think there is many dishes that get cooked with out garlic or a country that doesn't use garlic. So I can see that the demand would be very high.
Yep! I started working on a huge batch of spaghetti sauce last night. Began cooking down 9 gallons with an eventual goal of about 36-40 pints to can. For the "it's in there" solid bits, used 24 small cloves from volunteers. That will figure out to about 2/3rd clove per pint. Just about right!

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Romy - What kind of HUGE garlic is that in the photo?????? Kim
The garlic in my pics was an experiment, I planted good cloves from my German Purple Striped Hardneck Variety in January of this year, I harvested those size this past week! I had planted them in a salvaged piece of a black heavy plastic compost bin I found floating in the water, I placed that in the open sun off of our 240 embankment and filled it with good soil. I was very happy with the result as we had a cool summer, the black plastic really turned up the heat for them.

I am glad you like the size, I was quite happy with them.
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I bet they would do good in tires then.

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There is nothing that can be sprayed on garlic to prevent it from sprouting. Chinese garlic is just as likely to sprout in the store as American garlic will. One may find some bulbs where the roots are trimmed too close and the base of the cloves are damaged. That's because of zero soil allowance from any country.

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Yes Paquebot, we have discussed this before and I realize you grow plenty of garlic, however since neither of us lives in China I prefer to go to sources who may perhaps have first hand knowledge! Those that inspect and are in charge of what comes into their country! AND THEY TEST IT IN LABORATORIES!

Read a few links and let me know what you think? Yes they do spray chemicals on Garlic TO PREVENT IT FROM SPROUTING Called GROWTH INHIBITORS, TO WHITEN IT ACTUAL CHLORINE AND DETER INSECTS! Specifically on that garlic in grown in CHINA!

"According to Henry Bell of the Australian Garlic Industry Association, garlic from China is doused in chemicals to stop sprouting, to whiten garlic, and to kill insects and plant matter. He also reports that garlic is grown in untreated sewage" ((http://www.theage.com.au/news/epicure/f...) .

"Garlic is whitened by actual chlorine or with a mixture of sulphur and wood ash. Growth inhibitors are used to stop garlic from sprouting and can be made from hormones or chemicals. When garlic begins to sprout, the garlic clove loses much of its potency. Growth inhibitors together with gamma irradiation extend the shelf life of garlic."

In order to allow garlic in the Australia their own country fumigates it with a chemical called Methyl bromide. This is a colourless gas and a chemical used as an insecticide, fungicide and herbicide. That is all garlic that comes into their country...

I am a frequent Trader Joe's shopper. They sell high quality foods that they strive to be as pesticide and chemical free as possible. They do get produce from out of our country and have very strict guidelines. It is no accident that they will not sell Chinese Garlic! When they found out the controversy and the testing results, they will no longer sell it as of 2006. I have known about this for years!

"Concern about Chinese garlic has promoted a US store called Trader Joe's to stop stocking the product by the 1st of April"((http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmen...) .


I am a modest private grower of different plants and enjoy my island lifestyle including growing my own pesticide free garlic. I do not ever buy Garlic from China and supply myself from this seed garlic grown here since the 1980's. I am very well read on subjects that interest me. I will not present information that is not factual on a site while attempting to simply be helpful in allowing others the benefit of a little bit more information that is important to me to post. I can provide many links if you care for more? The reason Australia's is important is that they import so much of their Garlic from China and have tested it so thoroughly. I would not hazard to assume you nor I have the immediate testing facilities at our disposal to determine what all is sprayed and doused on this garlic from China? I am fairly certain I can trust what I have read.

Folks all I can say is grow your own garlic or know where it comes from!




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Back when I first started my garden i didn't know that you could get garlic starts from the producers on the web, so I bought some from wal-mart. I think they had California white. 6 bulbs of that planted my small patch and grew quite well for a few years. Till they froze out one year.
So your right they do not put any thing on them to stop sprouting.
As far as buying the Chinesse garlic for starts, i have done it twice. it was a small net tube of 5 bulbs for $1. Soft neck I think. Currently I have the 4th generation grown from those starts. Was the contaminants on those that I bought, maybe. But the stuff we are using grown from those probably doesn't have very much left on them, if any.
Now most of my garlic that I grow is from Martin. Unfortunetly I mixed up the labels on them, so once a year i try to figure out the varietys in an attept to make sure i continue to grow all the varietys. Sadly the pictures on the web and my garlic don't look much alike. Then to top it off, my computer crashed and the information on the variety's i had named was lost.
i am thinking i might take a sample of each of them to a grower near her and see if he can help me identify them once and for all. One of the varietys is producing a 4 inch bulb now. So I would love to know the name of it.
In my photo above that bulb was grown from a January Clove from a bulbil the season before, that is less than two seasons. I have heard only good things about Martin's garlic!
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Yes, the so-called growth inhibitor has been discussed numerous times on the Internet forums for years. Only problem is that it if anything is used, it doesn't work. Every gardener who gets desperate to find garlic is advised to buy a bulb or two from their nearest supermarket. There is only one approved sprout inhibitor which works on alliums and it is the same one which is approved and used for potatoes. In the case of potatoes, it is used on the seed pieces and not the tubers which are harvested. With alliums, it is applied to the growing plants, not the bulb. If it has been being used all this time, it certainly has not been very effective because everyone who plants it has excellent results.

Chlorine is a disinfectant used throughout the food industry. In fact, it's use is often mandated to destroy potential food pathogens and a common addition to our water supplies. Knowledge of it's use by the Chinese should serve to tell us that it is quite probably safer than untreated garlic from California fields.

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Yes, the so-called growth inhibitor has been discussed numerous times on the Internet forums for years. Only problem is that it if anything is used, it doesn't work. You simply can't refute it's use, it is confirmed in laboratories, not by you or me.Every gardener who gets desperate to find garlic is advised to buy a bulb or two from their nearest supermarket. I am not one to advise folks to buy Garlic seed from a grocery store, I have never needed to. I can find it easily if I wanted all over the good USA by farmers using good safe gardening practices and it is not by accident that I have been selling my garlic bulbils for years, grown with no pesticides, herbicides, chemicals of any kind. I have bulbils last a year at a cool dry temperature without sprouting. There is only one approved sprout inhibitor which works on alliums and it is the same one which is approved and used for potatoes. Funny you did not mention the name of it. Bud Nip is the name for the plant growth inhibitor, Chlorpropham, that happens to be deadly to our Honey Bees and aquatic animals, surely there may be some plausible risk to human beings? Sounds harmful to me! In the case of potatoes, it is used on the seed pieces and not the tubers which are harvested. With alliums, it is applied to the growing plants, not the bulb. If it has been being used all this time, it certainly has not been very effective because everyone who plants it has excellent results. Yes they spray Chlorpropham on 75% of the potatoes sold in America, that does not make it ok...read this page! Do take your time dear, it has molecular breakdown, and READ HOW DANGEROUS THIS CHEMICAL IS TO MERELY TRANSPORT. You feel free to ingest it! I will not nor will I advise others to follow like the pied piper believing it is safe to jump on board the chemical train...

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Chlorine is a disinfectant used throughout the food industry. Just because they use it does not mean I will buy the products they put it on. I do not buy nor ingest products with chlorine treatments unfortunately I am severely ALLERGIC to Chlorine, if I breathe in any of it, suddenly I can't breath and need immediate assistance. This is a serious issue for me. I specifically avoid all chemicals I can. In fact, it's use is often mandated to destroy potential food pathogens and a common addition to our water supplies.I do not drink water treated with chlorine as I can't even if I thought it was ok. Knowledge of it's use by the Chinese should serve to tell us that it is quite probably safer than untreated garlic from California fields. You would prefer to ingest fragments of human waste that fertilized Chinese Garlic and chemical pesticides versus one grown by a safe organic farmer here in the USA well enjoy! It is not safer if you read about the chemicals used and their health risks. If they kill our honey bees and aquatic animals, you do not think you are beyond the reach of their adverse affects? I support our COUNTRY'S FARMERS first and buy produce grown HERE I never have bug problems, no pests in my garden beds and my garlic is lovely. I did not advise anyone to buy California Garlic now did I? There are plenty of Garlic growers there who would dispute what you just said here though, perhaps I will send some this link? Folks can find garlic in so many states across our country! I am encouraging folks to grow their own garlic and find good seed stock by reputable folks that do not use chemicals on their garlic, they are located all over the GOOD USA. I am just one source for garlic bulbils only, simply a modest private grower on a pristine island...with a great deal of respect for the environment. There are folks to supply garlic seed in every state you can grow them in...

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Romy, your personal agenda probably isn't going to scare too many people since you've not researched everything about the alleged growth inhibitor, especially since it's quite obvious that it doesn't work if used as purported. Besides, the one used for potatoes is usually maleic hydrazide. If 75% of the US potato crop is sprayed with something else, it must not work when 95% of the store-bought potatoes will sprout!

The so-called "drenching" of garlic bulbs goes against what the garlic bulb is built to resist, outside liquid, especially with softnecks. All one has to do is use common sense and apply it to experience. The clove wrappers prevent any foreign matter or liquid from getting inside. They are a sealed unit and virtually impervious from any outside attack. The outer wrappers serve much the same purpose. If any liquid just got inside the outer wrapper, it would require a lengthy period of drying which in turn would shrink and wrinkle the wrappers to where they would not be salable. Those same tight wrappers will serve to keep out anything from the surrounding soil no matter what is used for fertilizer. Next month I will be helping plant garlic in soil which will be heavily fertilized with horse manure. Some of that manure will be so fresh that it is still in the form of hay bales in the barn loft. In other words, it hasn't even been through the horses yet. Would you care to eat the wrappers off the bulbs which result? I think not!

Fumigation on imported items has been the norm for years. In '83 and '84 I worked for a major cheese and candy gift company which imported a lot of stuff from various countries of the Far East. Depending upon where it came from, it either went directly to the warehouse or coolers or to fumigation. Everything from the Philippines was fumigated. Years later, had several opportunities to load Chiquita banana containers for back-haul to Costa Rica. They were all equipped with fumigation equipment. Same precautions for bananas as for garlic and both a case of the edible portion not being affected by the gas.

Returning to garlic from China or other countries, the American consumer has never been very concerned and now has even less to worry about. Every cook knows how difficult it is to get the clove wrapper off and that's a pretty good guarantee that nothing from the outside can get it. And now we have a lot more teeth in the new food safety regulations which mean that we can control everything right back to the individual farms. Just one strike and their license to export to the US is history. Doesn't matter what may have happened in the past. If there was a bad exporter then, he ain't in business now. SB-510 guarantees no repeat.

So, back to original argument of Chinese garlic not sprouting, don't tell me that I'm lying, tell it to Squashnut and many thousands of others who have virtually 100% success. In fact, you should be aware of those since you sell your garlic bulbils on a number of gardening forums. It's now pretty much down to just a very few who still hold to the myth that Chinese garlic won't grow. Sort of like the last of the Flat Earth Society. Sorry to say it but that's just the facts, ma'am!

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I do not have a personal agenda, we merely have different opinions and there is nothing wrong with the. You are entitled to your own opinions and I am just as entitled to mine. I never did say Chinese Garlic did not sprout or would not grow, in fact I merely said I did not recommend it for seed stock, go back and read my posts. What they spray on potatoes does not prevent it from sprouting it merely delays it, that is all that it is intended to do, extend the life of the potato, most folks know that? I never said you can't sprout garlic that has been treated and sprayed (dousing was a word Bell used not me that was in quotes maybe not the best choice of words), I am sure you can sprout it fine. Being that you maintain they fumigate everything from other countries coming here, why is suggesting that folks look to buy locally grown produce that is not fumigated or treated not a good thing? Why would anyone knowingly want to eat produce treated this way? You do not make it sound more appealing, you make it sound worse than I did, talk about scare tactics, you are scaring me...

Since I only use rotted Nettles and Fresh Seaweed to fertilize my garlic beds, your fresh horse manure comment, well is not tempting me any.LOL That did raise a chuckle.

An opinion anyone is entitled do and backed up by reputable links should be acceptable here. As I have gotten older, I appreciate that much more my farming Grandparents with their 360 acre property. As a working Ranch and Farm they used many growing methods however they also taught me a great deal about respecting others. This thread was on Chinese garlic growing and not the methods they grow it with or what they treat it which was irrelevant really to the question posted! Sorry to Squashnut for getting off topic. I was not posting scare tactics, good grief!. I do believe we should stick to our own country to buy produce from and get our seed stock from, I do avoid chemicals, most folks I know do. I only post things I feel are helpful. Did I scare you? LOL Lighten up Martin!
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I'm sure this will fuel the fire and stir the pot, but I simply do not know what to make of this: http://www.prettygarlic.com/

This Chinese company is given the title as one of the biggest importers of garlic--the "Coca-Cola" of garlic....but see Home/Garlic Products/Garlic Information/Grow Garlic....?????????

Yes, I understand the concept of the skin protection, but........

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I'm sure this will fuel the fire and stir the pot, but I simply do not know what to make of this: http://www.prettygarlic.com/

This Chinese company is given the title as one of the biggest importers of garlic--the "Coca-Cola" of garlic....but see Home/Garlic Products/Garlic Information/Grow Garlic....?????????

Yes, I understand the concept of the skin protection, but........

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that "Pretty garlic" looks exacly like what I have been growing.

As far as agendas go. I don't think it is nice to turn my thread into an advertisement for any ones garlic.

Thank you every one for your help. like i said i have grown garlic from the store many times and it has done well. It's not fancy but it does well enough and beats buying enough at store prices for my families consumption.
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This was a good thread because it puts to rest, once and for all, the persistent myth that Chinese garlic will not sprout. When the overwhelming results of something far outweigh the "facts", it then becomes time to question the "facts".

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Old 09/04/11, 01:20 PM
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This was a good thread because it puts to rest, once and for all, the persistent myth that Chinese garlic will not sprout. When the overwhelming results of something far outweigh the "facts", it then becomes time to question the "facts".

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That's right, like i said i have been growing garlic for 4-5 years that was labeled as grown in China.

And now a time old method of growing food with the use of manures is in question. Beats the heck out of chemicals.
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Old 09/04/11, 01:26 PM
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that "Pretty garlic" looks exacly like what I have been growing.

As far as agendas go. I don't think it is nice to turn my thread into an advertisement for any ones garlic.

~I did say I was sorry to get off topic, the pictures I put on your thread were to show that garlic is not always pretty homegrown, some varieties can be "prettier" than others but even Martin explains the washing process as the public expects it to be "pretty." I initially just answered a question, I surely did not wish to promote my garlic as I do not sell Seed Garlic. There are growers of garlic in every state which is what I did say in recommendation for folks looking for seed garlic.

Thank you every one for your help. like i said i have grown garlic from the store many times and it has done well. It's not fancy but it does well enough and beats buying enough at store prices for my families consumption.
I think that is great that so many folks are beginning to grow what they can, it all helps doesn't it?

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This was a good thread because it puts to rest, once and for all, the persistent myth that Chinese garlic will not sprout. When the overwhelming results of something far outweigh the "facts", it then becomes time to question the "facts".

~I never said that Chinese Garlic would not sprout! Glad you put that to rest for someone else? I did say I have heard only good things about Martin's garlic!

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