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Old 12/29/09, 11:11 PM
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Question HeLp with an herb and tomatoe garden

I'm new at gardening, lol. I want to start this spring with just stuff to make homemade tomatoe sauce. So what herbs would be best, I'm in zone 6. Also, should I start with plants and put in pots for the herbs and do tomatoes in ground or both in ground together? What time of year do I plant, both st same time or one first then the other? I'm trying my best at googling this, but thought I needed some personal advice. How should I prepare my soil? I really am new to this. Last year I had a neighbor give me a 5 gal bucket of tomatoes that I peeled and seeded and cooked with a sauce mix, but wanted to try my hand at growing my own, the sauce I made was heavenly, so now how do I do this on my own? Thanks for any help or advice. I'm a homeschoolingmom of 3 so this will be education for us as well
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I'm new at gardening, lol. I want to start this spring with just stuff to make homemade tomatoe sauce. So what herbs would be best, I'm in zone 6. Also, should I start with plants and put in pots for the herbs and do tomatoes in ground or both in ground together?
The primary herbs needed would be basil, cilantro and oregano. Basil does fine in pots. Cilantro can be pots or ground. Oregano can be grown as a perennial and thus best when given a permanent place for itself.

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Old 12/30/09, 02:15 AM
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I would put the oregano in the ground, but by itself in its own bed. It can take over your entire herb garden like mint does.

Basil is so good but for some reason I can never get it to grow.

I would also recommend some marjoram, possibly rosemary and thyme. Marjoram will spread like oregano.

You might want to try growing some garlic too
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Old 12/30/09, 07:28 AM
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Is it too late to plant garlic? I thought that was planted bf winter? Ok, so do I start my herbs first or tomatoes?
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Is it too late to plant garlic? I thought that was planted bf winter? Ok, so do I start my herbs first or tomatoes?
mommaof3peas,

No its not to late to plant garlic. If you can get them into the ground they will do alright. I would suggest that you mulch them good.

As to the herbs and tomatoes questions. The herbs need to be started first. At least the ones you can start in pots. Tomatoes are a warm weather crop and really don't do well in the cool spring weather. You can count back 8-10 weeks from your areas last frost date and start your tomatoes in the house under lights or in a south facing window. They can be started earlier but it is a dicey chance of survival.

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Old 12/30/09, 09:36 AM
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For a first time tomato grower I would recommend buying starter plants from a local garden store -- and I say local garden store becasue they are more likely to only stock the types that will do good in your area where as the big chain store many times stock things that don't do well in your neck of the woods.
There are also determinant and indeterminant types of tomatoes, determinate ripen all about the same time, indeterminate ripen throughout the growing season. If you are looking to make big batches of sauce, I would probably go with determinant - the lables should tell you what type it is or a good gardening website will also.
How to prep the soil -- really should have started last fall tilling in grass clippings and leaves, however read up on compost piles, you can start them any time, though they really get cooking in the summer: leaves, grass clippings, kitchen waste and many other things go into a composte pile and if done right will turn into great dirt. Having said that if you are starting from scratch come April or May, get yourself some bags of compost from the garden center and mix it in with your soil.
Do you know if you have a clay or sandy soil? either way you will have to amend it, just with different things.

Also many garden centers and most universities will test your soil and tell you what you need to add to make what you want to grow, grow better. If you don't mind chemicals - Miracle Grow really does work on tomatoes, if you prefer organic like I do, there are organic fertilizers that do a similiar job.

I will pass along a word of wisdom my father passed along to me. "We need to grow good dirt and then the dirt will grow good plants" By growing good dirt he meant composting and amending to soil to have the proper nutrients the plants need. I can't recommend enough getting your soil tested and knowing what the results mean and what to do with them. Your local garden center should know who does testing in your area and we have one local chain of garden stores that does free testing to get you in the door in the spring.(actually they get you in their door 3 times: once to pick up the soil sample bags and forms, once to bring them back for testing and once to pick up the results)
Another plug for a local garden store -- usually they have gardening expertise in your area, something the chains stores almost never have -- you'll pay a little bit more usually, but its usually well worth it: they specialize in gardening, its their only source of income so they usually only stock items proven in your area, they usually have expert gardeners on staff, and usually will stock plants at the right time of the year for planting in your area. And if you are having sick plants can usually help you out with them and if you saved your receipt will usually replace your plant or refund your money.

Here a decent article on soils http://gardening.about.com/od/soil/a/GardenSoil.htm

One more thing to remember Insects are required in the garden - not all types of insects are pests, so get rid of your cans of insect sprays and also plant a few flowers near your veggies to draw pollinating insects -- my gardens really took off on production when I started putting a variety of different flowers in my veggie garden (different types draw different insects).

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A couple more places to get local information:

The nearest branch of your state's extension service. It will be listed in the phone book, usually somewhere in the blue government pages. Try both the state and county listings. They have a lot of information, and because your taxes have already paid for it, it is free or very low cost. There's usually one of the extension agents who is trained in horticulture. If they have a Master Gardener program, these are also the folks to answer all your questions -- no matter how small.

Your local library's reference section. Ask the librarians for help finding local/regional gardening books and other resources. They are also helpful folks.

Cruise your neighborhood and look for nice yards and gardens. Most people are very happy to talk about what they do and how they do it.

And I second the independent garden centers and greenhouses! They try very hard to offer things that will do well in their area, know all sorts of stuff, and may not be as expensive as you think.
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Old 12/30/09, 02:23 PM
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Thank you so much! That gives me something to start with.
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