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Old 02/24/05, 02:23 AM
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Forgot to add, anyone know if they used hormones to achieve that production? I'd be curious to see if they did or not, also the diet. The select sires booklet left that out.


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Old 02/24/05, 08:49 AM
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Yikes! Did you have a breeding exam done? Any idea what the prob was?

My best friend has a Jersey cow that has never calved, and she's been running with a bull for 3 years now. I suspect she may have been a freemartin, although Carol bought her as a calf from someone she believed she could trust.
Is the heifer obese? Obesity can make it very difficult for an animal to settle.

They may have been five years old...lol. We had a very large group of heifers in their peer group. They were also out of one of our home bulls and he gave us 9 daughters (including the twins) plus we were milking around 35 at that time so there were a lot more heifers than we get now with our smaller herd.
They were AIed a couple of times and then run with Junior, an Angus clean up bull right before they were sold. They were pretty fat by then. They went along with a few other open heifers in their age group.

We aim to settle animals through AI but the heifers are not always in a place where we can see them and we have another farmer doing our AI for us, so we have to catch them and bring them up to the barn for breeding.
We aim to AI and if we have a group not settled to calve at at least two and a half years we usually bring in a clean up bull, or use a bull we have raised. If they don't settle and are pushing four they get shipped. Usually we have a couple every other year we ship as very large open four year olds. They get every chance in the world to join the herd and we have had (actually currently have) four year old first calf heifers. Anya slipped her first pregnancy at five and a half months last year and she is due 3/12/05 with her full term pregnancy. Her age group is four and older. That may be a nightmare delivery. She is quite fat, but not as bad as Blue Moon was. That cow had the tiniest little bull calf and if we hadn't been there to pull that thick sack off it would have died. Poper weight is very important for breeding and delivery.
We have a group of heifers right now that are on the chopping block. They were born from 2/7/02 to 6/1/02. The last three were born in April and June though. Juliana is the one that is over three now. Jason is with them now and if he doesn't settle them then they will be shipped. Carina is cystic but we were hoping the bull would help in that department. They get pregnancy checked a month after Jason leaves..I am hoping they are bred, but if they are then we need to ship some older cows to make room for them.
Vicious cycle that.
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Old 02/24/05, 01:19 PM
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Hmm ... do you have the vet do a breeding exam before shipping? Seems like with so much invested ... 3 years is a long time to feed a cow!

Can heifers go cystic before they're even bred?

P.S. Jeff -- would love to see a pic of the record-setting cow! I'm happy to hear she's not "perfect"! Wondering if she looks anything like Twist (cow on the left):

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Old 02/24/05, 02:04 PM
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willow girl glad to hear someother ppl feel like i do.......276 pounds milk a day and she could look like a horse and i would still like her narrow tits and all......nice picture you have fo your group...wish i could find some norrow tited girls that gave 276 pounds a milk wait i would settle for 176 pounds a day
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Old 02/24/05, 04:12 PM
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Hmm ... do you have the vet do a breeding exam before shipping? Seems like with so much invested ... 3 years is a long time to feed a cow!

Can heifers go cystic before they're even bred?

P.S. Jeff -- would love to see a pic of the record-setting cow! I'm happy to hear she's not "perfect"! Wondering if she looks anything like Twist (cow on the left):

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These heifers are not shipped without being confirmed open. He almost shipped Carina because she has been cystic and has been cycling regularly every ten days...but I think she might be bred.
Also probably could have shipped Bjork without checking ebcause she came into standing ehat again.

However, we always pregnancy check befroe we make the final decision on the animal. The older heifers we have right now are with our breeding bull Jason. They won't be sold before being prenganncy checked a month after he is gone.

We definitely put a whole lot of money into the heifers..which is why it is bittersweet. It is nice to have the money from selling them, especially when prices are high, but when you think of how much they had the potential to bring in in those two years tehy were carried open...

We keep trying and that is why we have a heifer calving for the first time at 4 years old....
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Old 02/24/05, 04:14 PM
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Yeah, heifers can become cystic before ever being bred. That was the case with Carina. We have AIed her a couple of times..and now she has been with the bull.
It has been about impossible to catch her though and so breeding her was not easily done.
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Old 02/24/05, 04:44 PM
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You are giving them a lot more chances than most farmers would, that's for sure!!!
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Old 02/24/05, 04:54 PM
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What causes cows to go cystic, anyway?! The most I've read is it tends to be hereditary ... I can't remember ever coming across ways to prevent it.
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