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handymama 09/07/14 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by topside1 (Post 7208702)
I'd shoot him with a pellet gun now that the pool is empty....or shoot off the shotgun into the air to make your point.

Well I've blown the car horn over and over and drove it at him but he just looked at me like I was stupid and went back to eating my pumpkin vines:(

handymama 09/07/14 08:57 PM

I've talked to his daughter about it and she said he's really too weak to deal with them, as he's seventy or so now. But he refuses to get rid of them.

cfuhrer 09/07/14 08:59 PM

Sometimes a call to animal control focused on the welfare of the animals will get attention faster than a call regarding a loose animal.

handymama 09/07/14 09:00 PM

I had wondered if maybe I hadn't ought to call the pound first?

handymama 09/07/14 09:02 PM

Or call both? Lol anything to get the bull out of my yard and get him water. Frankly, the field looks pretty sparse too. And they may be hungry as well, as hard as he eats my yard, flowers, and veggies

nosqrls 09/07/14 09:04 PM

If a child's safety is a risk. That would be one dead bull. Deadly force is authorized in all 50 states.

unregistered41671 09/07/14 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleR (Post 7208722)
Age stinks but it's NO excuse. If you can't care for them you hire someone who can or get rid of them. His age isn't your fault. :(

The sad thing is that, his age is not his animals fault either.

handymama 09/07/14 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nosqrls (Post 7208732)
If a child's safety is a risk. That would be one dead bull. Deadly force is authorized in all 50 states.

Well that was my first reaction, as I'm pretty gun happy with stray dogs over my chickens and ducks. But then I thought, how in the world will I get rid of the carcass?

handymama 09/07/14 09:07 PM

I feel for the cows. But I'm not happy the bull is knocking over my wrought iron lawn furniture, eating my plants, tromping up the yard, pooping everywhere, and pawing at my kids.

handymama 09/07/14 09:22 PM

You know, next time that bull is here I'm gonna take pictures of it to show the police. And you guys too! This thing is enormous.

SpaceCadet12364 09/07/14 09:27 PM

I would see if there is a mobile butcher in your area. They come to you for the kill clean and hang. Let him have a share for pay since no freezer for hang. Then dig a hole and bury the evidence.

handymama 09/07/14 09:33 PM

Ooh, I shall look into that! But how will I catch it?

unregistered41671 09/07/14 09:36 PM

A bull is livestock. It is not a game animal. If you kill and butcher this bull and get caught, you will be pretty much be guaranteed jail time. Just because it is on your property you do not have the right to the bull. Dead or alive.

handymama 09/07/14 09:37 PM

Well that sucks. Back to the cops I guess lol.

handymama 09/07/14 09:44 PM

What kind of bull would this thing be anyway? Black with a white face, black around the eyes. All I've ever messed with is red herefords

handymama 09/07/14 10:18 PM

Oh ok. His herd has cows that are all solid black or solid white. I've not seen any other bull there in a couple years. All the calves seem to be solid white or look like the bull.

Farmer Jayne 09/08/14 06:49 AM

I would love to see a picture.
Your neighbor is going to have trouble with this guy even if he tries to keep it home. Once these big bulls have figured out that they can bust down a fence they like to head to greener pastures (or gardens, or prettier girls). We have a little Dexter that figured out he can push his way through pretty much anything. He really liked to visit with the neighbor's Angus girls. We had to bring him home from the leased pasture and wrap his pen in electric wire. Right now he's leased to a friend and he'll stay put for a little while (She has some big, beautiful girls for him). But he'll be out again as soon as he's bored. Eventually it'll be the butcher for him. It's a shame, too. He's a sweet little guy. But, you can't let your animals annoy or threaten your neighbors. That's one of my pet peeves. If you own an animal keep the thing on your own property. I don't care if it's a dog or a goat or a cow. It not only irritates or even endangers other people, it is dangerous for the animal.
That said, get pictures, call Animal Control (they'll probably tell you to call the Sheriff), and call the Sheriff. Call again if you have to. Call until they send someone. This situation is dangerous. I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
If you feel you need to take action yourself, call your local stock yard. They will be able to recommend someone who will come out with a trailer and round him up to take him to the sale. Their payment will come out of the price of the bull. Whether you keep the money or split it with your neighbor is up to you.

handymama 09/08/14 06:55 AM

It's a four strand high barbed wire fence. Comes to chest height on me and I'm 5'5. He doesn't even push thru it...I've watched him hop over it like it was nothing.

Gravytrain 09/08/14 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by handymama (Post 7208711)
Oh yes, he has a herd of around thirty cows and some calves.

I'm not sure that it is the bull that needs to be shot... :facepalm:

G. Seddon 09/08/14 07:18 AM

OMG, four pages of this? Put the guns and butcher knives away, get law enforcement involved NOW before someone gets seriously hurt.

handymama 09/08/14 07:24 AM

Ok, the bull is not here this morning. Prolly because where we had a gullywasher of a storm last night, so the little pond the guy has for them filled up.I drove by to see if they had water. Here's a shot of the pond as I drove by. Cow herd was up in the woods so I didn't get a pic of them. But next time I see the bull I will be taking pics and calling the police.http://cdn.imageserver.c-m-g.us/home...1410179064.jpg

badlander 09/08/14 07:59 AM

I wouldn't shoot the bull either. As you said, it isn't the bull's fault that its owner is an idiot.

Two suggestions. It sounds as if the animal has been abandoned. It is on your property. Can you put up a temporary hot wire and contain the animal on your property then call whoever is in charge of abandoned farm animals in your area? Your local Farm Bureau may be able to help you.

Are you in a position where you can keep the animal? Sounds as though you have inherited him anyway?

Either way the bull is being neglected by his owner. If the owner cannot be a responsible owner then he doesn't need to be an owner in the first place.

Good luck with your problem. I would be worried about little ones around it also.

simi-steading 09/08/14 08:03 AM

OK.. I gotta say this.. My comment about a 30-06 and a freezer was not serious.. that would not be the legal thing to do... On the web, you can't take everyone's advice, especially from people like me who are joking and not serious, yet everyone thinks you're serious..

Call the Sheriff.. They are the ones that will have to handle this since this is a public safety issue..

Ziptie 09/08/14 08:34 AM

I might have missed your location. Here in Iowa I was told by the sheriff that any animal that threatens us or our livestock can be shot and not to calll him when we do it. I asked if that applied to two legged animals ..he said talk to my lawyer.

Bull=bad news We had one he was still little but he tried taking on our SUV a few times. So even be careful in the car.

Allen W 09/08/14 09:17 AM

Call the sheriff, you've talked to every one including his daughter and no one has stood up and told or made the owner take care of his bull. Unless your in a free range state it is the owners responsibility to keep his animals in.

Before you go and shoot the bull he is worth $2,000 to $3,000 in todays market as he stands for a killing bull. It could cost you as much as $10,000 or even more for replacement value to replace him with a like quality bull. Just being on your property isn;t enough reason to shoot the bull.

For every one advocating killing or stealing the bull, I don't know what to say but bless your hearts, any thing else will get me banned.

Jennifer L. 09/08/14 10:16 AM

I don't understand why you are letting your kids get near a bull, let alone why they think it's ok to try and pet him.

handymama 09/08/14 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jennifer L. (Post 7209234)
I don't understand why you are letting your kids get near a bull, let alone why they think it's ok to try and pet him.

They were playing outside and the darn thing wandered up, and rather than tell me, they tried to pet it. I didn't know it was there. No way I would have just let them!

handymama 09/08/14 11:15 AM

And I really hope everyone knew that I was kidding about actually butchering the bull. Although my crazy dad was totally serious ( he lives next door and said it'd dress out at 1000 pounds lol)

handymama 09/08/14 11:20 AM

And as far as shooting it goes, the cops are the next step. If that doesn't work for some reason I will issue the final warning to the owner to get the bull or get it dead. But I'm a long way from doing that. I'm hoping that next time it shows up, calling the cops will fix the problem.

handymama 09/08/14 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Farmer Jayne (Post 7208985)
I would love to see a picture.
Your neighbor is going to have trouble with this guy even if he tries to keep it home. Once these big bulls have figured out that they can bust down a fence they like to head to greener pastures (or gardens, or prettier girls). We have a little Dexter that figured out he can push his way through pretty much anything. He really liked to visit with the neighbor's Angus girls. We had to bring him home from the leased pasture and wrap his pen in electric wire. Right now he's leased to a friend and he'll stay put for a little while (She has some big, beautiful girls for him). But he'll be out again as soon as he's bored. Eventually it'll be the butcher for him. It's a shame, too. He's a sweet little guy. But, you can't let your animals annoy or threaten your neighbors. That's one of my pet peeves. If you own an animal keep the thing on your own property. I don't care if it's a dog or a goat or a cow. It not only irritates or even endangers other people, it is dangerous for the animal.
That said, get pictures, call Animal Control (they'll probably tell you to call the Sheriff), and call the Sheriff. Call again if you have to. Call until they send someone. This situation is dangerous. I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
If you feel you need to take action yourself, call your local stock yard. They will be able to recommend someone who will come out with a trailer and round him up to take him to the sale. Their payment will come out of the price of the bull. Whether you keep the money or split it with your neighbor is up to you.

Yes, in the past when his cows kept coming back, he sold the two who jumped the fence. That's why I don't understand why he's being so negligent with this bull. Maybe it's the only one he's got? Idk.

handymama 09/08/14 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by badlander (Post 7209063)
I wouldn't shoot the bull either. As you said, it isn't the bull's fault that its owner is an idiot.

Two suggestions. It sounds as if the animal has been abandoned. It is on your property. Can you put up a temporary hot wire and contain the animal on your property then call whoever is in charge of abandoned farm animals in your area? Your local Farm Bureau may be able to help you.

Are you in a position where you can keep the animal? Sounds as though you have inherited him anyway?

Either way the bull is being neglected by his owner. If the owner cannot be a responsible owner then he doesn't need to be an owner in the first place.

Good luck with your problem. I would be worried about little ones around it also.

We have several acres fenced in barbed wire on one side of a dirt road. On the other side is our barn, which has an acre fenced around it. The bull walked into the barn pasture once and I walked over and shut the gate. I was planning to call the owner and be like, come get your bull. It looked over at me, effortlessly jumped the fence, and jogged off.
So keeping it sounds nearly impossible to me. Besides, the fence is overgrown and I couldn't hook electric to it without a ton of work. And I just plain am not ready for beef cows yet! Lol.

unregistered41671 09/08/14 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by handymama (Post 7209315)
And I really hope everyone knew that I was kidding about actually butchering the bull. Although my crazy dad was totally serious ( he lives next door and said it'd dress out at 1000 pounds lol)

Sure wish you had said this long ago before I wasted so much time on my posts, trying to convince you not to kill and butcher the bull.

handymama 09/08/14 12:09 PM

Oh, and ziptie-yes, I'm in TN, and I've had to check the laws before when a local owner absolutely refused to tie their chicken eating dog, so yes technically I could shoot it. But I can see it making the papers. Plus a lot of bad feeling from the owner. I really want to refrain from that.

handymama 09/08/14 12:12 PM

Possum belly, I suppose if it were legal, I may have gone along with my dad doing it. But it's not, which I figured it wasn't, so I can't.

Ziptie 09/08/14 12:28 PM

Well, I wasn’t kidding about shooting it. I think the first try should be calling the cops(esp so you have paper trail). If that doesn't resolve it then yah that thing is gone. We need our garden to feed my family not the neighbours cows. If it comes down to kids or bull....... kids come first. Could attach several different news stories of bulls hurting people, but I'll be good.

That same little bull jumped two of our fences crossed the road and then jumped neighbours fence to the cows in the acreage across from us. Two days later he was hanging in a meat locker.


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