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Old 08/21/14, 08:09 PM
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I see airplanes land and take off every day, but I'm no Air Traffic Controller.
Anyone that knows a lot about cows seen her?
I'm stupid. I can't figure out how a cow with a calf in her expels her uterus, leaving the calf inside. Stitched up a pregnant cow that you don't know when she was bred? Stiches ripped out, but no one checks her for a calf? Were you carrying your Leatherman so you could unzip her when she was ready?
"We sewed her up" Was that you, the old neighbor, a Vet or someone from HomeEc?
She's in labor, so you sew her up? Is that a Honey, cross your legs move?
Wow, I'm so confused, and stupid.
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Old 08/21/14, 08:12 PM
 
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Here are some pictures of the abused, neglected cow. Don't worry I know there is no grass they have plenty of hay, water, and minerals.

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Old 08/21/14, 08:23 PM
 
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I see airplanes land and take off every day, but I'm no Air Traffic Controller.
Anyone that knows a lot about cows seen her?
I'm stupid. I can't figure out how a cow with a calf in her expels her uterus, leaving the calf inside. Stitched up a pregnant cow that you don't know when she was bred? Stiches ripped out, but no one checks her for a calf? Were you carrying your Leatherman so you could unzip her when she was ready?
"We sewed her up" Was that you, the old neighbor, a Vet or someone from HomeEc?
She's in labor, so you sew her up? Is that a Honey, cross your legs move?
Wow, I'm so confused, and stupid.
Ya your confused and an stupid. Im no vet thats for sure but im not stupid. It was a vaganal prolapse her uterus wasn't out. Yes the vet stitched her up and then checked an said she was bred, stitches weren't ripped out, they were gone when the vet was back out sewing up another prolapse a month later, probably rotted out. Didn't recheck for preg. He didn't think it was anything that she continued to strain after he'd sewed her up nothing was ripped up so obviously my actions were fine. I always carry a knife on me why do you care?

No one has answered if its Possible to slip a twin and carry the other to term. Is it that hard of a question. I didn't know a log book was required to answer that question.
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Old 08/21/14, 10:06 PM
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Nice to read a post that has the word Vet in it. Seems worrysome to sew up a cow that is in labor, making you and your knife the official Keeper of the Gate so to speak.
The question is not so hard, just not anything most of us have experienced. I think twins share the same placenta. One gets out, the afterbirth doesn't seal back up for a few months until the other one gets ready. Prolapse and labor two or more months early cannot be a good thing, IMHO.
If she delivered and expelled her afterbirth, would you have seen it before the dogs or coyotes ate it?
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Normally yes but we were in the middle of corn planting so possibly not. It's just odd, she wouldn't have been bred back 4 months ago and bagging up now. Thus my question. May have been someng else that caused the vag prolapse and shes still carrying the same calf. When he came back to sew up the second one he showed me how and said that there was no reason I couldn't do it myself if I was comfortable with it.
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Old 08/22/14, 07:28 AM
 
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FarmerDavid, the reason I questioned whether this cow had been checked is because you mentioned that you were uncertain about the stitches having been torn or rotted, and you have mentioned a month's time frame -- TWICE!

Usually when cows are stitched up to prevent a prolapse, they are carefully watched for signs of labor so that the stitches can be removed for calving.

Why don't you ask the vet if a cow can lose a twin and carry the other one to term?

I repeat -- if you are concerned about this cow and how many calves she is carrying, then get her checked by a professional.
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Old 08/22/14, 08:08 AM
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Part of the preg check is to estimate the age of the fetus based on size. We have had preg check done by ultrasound, our vet, and a friend who knows how to palpate. All of them confirmed bred plus, how many days bred. So your vet shorted you some important information when he checked her and just said, bred.

You said you check your cows every day. Well has this cow shown any signs of heat in all this time?

It has been documented for one twin to be born later, but very, very rarely, and not so many months apart.

I would get the cow checked for pregnancy and how far along, then decide what to do with her.
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Old 08/23/14, 11:59 AM
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She might have been eating some plant that causes the bagging. Seems like I remember reading about some plants that do that. Sweet Clover, maybe? The other thing is, it's not possible you are looking at a mastitis? Probably not, you know what you are looking at but I thought I'd throw that out there.

Cows never cease to amaze me. You think you have seen it all and out of the blue they come up with something that you never heard of before, so maybe your cow can pull a calf out of her hat yet.
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Old 08/23/14, 01:35 PM
 
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FarmerDavid, the reason I questioned whether this cow had been checked is because you mentioned that you were uncertain about the stitches having been torn or rotted, and you have mentioned a month's time frame -- TWICE!

Usually when cows are stitched up to prevent a prolapse, they are carefully watched for signs of labor so that the stitches can be removed for calving.

Why don't you ask the vet if a cow can lose a twin and carry the other one to term?

I repeat -- if you are concerned about this cow and how many calves she is carrying, then get her checked by a professional.
Good lord yes I'm aware you watch for signs of labor. I'm not nearly as dumb as you think I am. The month was a guess from the first she could have been exposed. I've mentioned multiple times it was incorrect. After he, the vet, sewed her up I asked him if she was still preg or if shed already lost it. It was late and he was in a hurry I didn't ask and he didn't tell me how far along just confirmed she was still bred.

I'm not concerned shes fine just curious what caused the prolapse now that she's bagging up. I've got several that got bred late and appear to be about as far along as this one. Im guessing that was due to the extreme heat. Past few years I've just drawn blood to preg check this yet I plan to have them palpated.

Next time I need the vet ill ask him more about his. He's a busy man and doesn't like to be bothered because if someone curiosity. Curiosity is all it is at this point no one is being neglected or ignored. Last vet I used was good about being able to contact by phone whenever you had a question. He was also worthless and a waste of money, ill deal with the guy who is good but maybe alittle more gruff.
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Old 08/23/14, 01:41 PM
 
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Part of the preg check is to estimate the age of the fetus based on size. We have had preg check done by ultrasound, our vet, and a friend who knows how to palpate. All of them confirmed bred plus, how many days bred. So your vet shorted you some important information when he checked her and just said, bred.

You said you check your cows every day. Well has this cow shown any signs of heat in all this time?

It has been documented for one twin to be born later, but very, very rarely, and not so many months apart.

I would get the cow checked for pregnancy and how far along, then decide what to do with her.
No heat that I've noticed. They get checked daily, but if she came into heat while we were planting or harvesting I could have missed it. I plan to have them all palpated this fall. Ill either have a calf by then, she'll be open or ill know how bred she is.
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