GMO crops killing dairy cattle ?????

Lazy J · #41 02/08/13, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/USDA_scientist_reveals_all.php

Thanks for the link, that is the first time I've seen reference to a specific pathogen.

linn · #42 02/08/13, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Judy in IN

Tab, you're welcome. Now do what I did and send it to everyone you know.

Autism was something else that was unheard of when I was a youngster. You can almost see the difference in the generations. My Gfather's generation stayed pretty sharp until the end, people in my Dad's generation start to show a few disease trends. You get down to my generation and high blood pressure, heart problems, Alzheimer's, obesity, joints, digestive problems, thyroid, etc, etc, etc. my daughter's generation showed an increase in all health problems.

We are at the top of the food chain and we're like the eagles and DDT. Eagles didn't eat sprayed crops; they ate the fish that swam in the run-off from those crops. They still almost went extinct.

Looks like my heifers will have to be grass-fed. It's a sad thing when you can't trust the food supply.

I'm setting up an aquaponics system this year. I'm thinking about incorporating fodder raising with it.

My grandon has Asperger's syndrome. I, for one, would like to know what causes this. It is a form of Autism. I was in education for many years and the number os autistic and Aspergers cases have risen. I don't pretend to know what causes this, but I believe it has to do with vacinations and genetically altered food sources. Until you have experienced the heart ache and difficulties with these syndroms, you will have no idea what the impact on society and the family these disabilities cause. Don't discount the alternative reseach concerning the causes of these and many other conditions.

ycanchu2 · #43 02/08/13, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

Corn and soybeans are good food for cows, but they aren't super foods. They cannot account for the gains in milk production we see today. Artificial Insemination, 500 years of careful selection, more comfortable housing all play a part to this improvement.
I don't know of any beef guys that are losing calves due to too much milk and I don't think there are many dairy farmers turning thei calves loose on a 100 pound a day holstein.
How far back you want to go? Man hasn't been a corn eater for very long. Most folks didn't have access to fields of grains either, until more recently. You giving up sugar, too.
It didn't take long to create the dust bowl. We plowed up the prarie and had a couple dry years, suddenly the dirty Thirties were upon us.

I had a guy ask me a couple of years ago..."Do you have very much scours in your baby calves?" I said hardly ever but if I do it clears up in a couple of days. The last time I lost one to scours, well I can't remember that far back. He said his brother in law has a big problem with it and has lost several baby calves and does so every year. I asked him" What does he feed his cows?" he said "he feeds them the best, hay plus corn and i forgot what else he said, I told him that was the problem, he's feeding his cows too much.
My Dad built a 24x80 silo 40years ago to feed the cows thru the winter with "cheap silage", after not too many years he abandoned it, I didn't know why at the time, but a few years ago I asked him why he quit feeding the silage to his cows he said " I was losing too many calves every year to scours". So now its just grass and hay with no more scour problems.

I'm not talking about people I was referring to cattle. Humans are omnivores, cattle are herbivores.

AverageJo · #44 02/08/13, 05:04 PM

Lots of good suggestions here. I'm sure SpringValley will try to get these sugestions to the farmer to see what he's found out. Judy, I watched the entire 1 hour plus video this morning when it was being passed around Facebook. It had way too many documents, tests, correlations, studies, etc. to be easily dismissed. But I'm sure there are a lot that will just blow it off and continue the way they are. That's their choice and I'm glad I still have a choice of my own to make. Hope we always retain that right.

SueMc · #45 02/09/13, 06:39 AM

I'm posting this here because of the moratorium on GMO discussion in a more general area.

Something I'd love to see on HT is (maybe) a stickie with links of GMO articles and video, both pro and con and most importantly, links to sources of animal feed and people food that are NOT genetically engineered. It would be easier to have a repository of sources to go to rather than try to hunt them down in individual postings.
It would also be great if individuals here would post their local or in-State sources for mills, feed stores, farmers, etc., that sell non-GMO feeds and seed.
I just think we'd do each other a great service by sharing all we can about non-GMO products as those products seem to be diminishing by the minute!

Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:

Article about animals exposed to GM feed:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/docu...ed_to_gmos.pdf

Non-GMO shopping guide:
http://action.responsibletechnology...._page_KEY=7042

Non-GMO sourcebook:
Among other things, this especially good site lists companies producing non-gmo livestock feed. I'm especially interested in this as it doesn't do much good to avoid gmo food at the store then feed it to our livestock (See article in first link).
http://nongmosourcebook.com/index.php

While I have also been involved in a few GMO discussions here and know they will continue, I just think we would gain good solid information and be able to shop in a more informed manner if we shared this info.

(Sorry Marc to have gotten off your OP)

**Ross** · #46 02/09/13, 08:27 AM

FYI the moratorium on GMO threads has ben lifted on the HQ board

Judy in IN · #47 02/09/13, 11:01 AM

Sue, How far are you from Arthur, IL? It seems to me that you might contact an Amish farmer and get grain from him. Find a little old gravity wagon to store your grain and tarp over the top.

Wanda · #48 02/09/13, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Judy in IN

Sue, How far are you from Arthur, IL? It seems to me that you might contact an Amish farmer and get grain from him. Find a little old gravity wagon to store your grain and tarp over the top.

I am close to Arthur and the Amish plant the same seed as everyone else. Not all seed sold is GM so there are a lot of everyday farmers raising non GM corn!

Lazy J · #49 02/09/13, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Judy in IN

Sue, How far are you from Arthur, IL? It seems to me that you might contact an Amish farmer and get grain from him. Find a little old gravity wagon to store your grain and tarp over the top.

My Amish neighbors use the same GMO hybrids and varieties that I use. they also spray more than I do, plus they don't have the technology that I use to limit spray drift.

Judy in IN · #50 02/09/13, 06:35 PM

That's too bad. I know it all depends on the elder leader for each particular colony. The Amish near Spencer, IN won't even feed soy to their animals. The ones near Rockville are all about organic. I'm going down next week on a cheese run. YUM!