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Dead animals left in the field are a hazard to everyone.
Let's say the cow had TB. The raccoons can eat off the cow, contract TB and then get into your cow's feed and spread TB to your cows. In Michigan, and other states, raccoons are found with TB. |
While I don't have cows, I do raise goats. We all lose animals occasionally, despite our best efforts. I've had two goats die this spring, and I certainly did not call anyone to dispose of the carcass nor did I waste valuable time and energy to bury the carcass. Instead I took it to a remote part of the farm and let nature take it's course. In a matter of days only a few bones remained. These were not human beings, nor were they family pets. They were livestock, there to provide meat/milk for my family. I'm not going to bury my tractor when if finally quits working. I'll park it somewhere and use it for parts and scrap it once everything usable has been taken. Why not let nature do what nature does best?
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You need to get a life and stop trying to interfere in something that is none of your business. How do you know how many head of cattle he has? Have you counted every one? How do you know that is the only 80 acres he has? If he is as wealthy as you think, he probably has several farms. As far as calling the vet.. most cattlemen don't. It has nothing to do with the economics, but most cattlemen are able to do their own vet work. They call the vet, when they see something they've never seen or can't fix the problem. If you are raised with cattle, you can sometimes do as much and have as much experience as a new vet. lol I'd say mind your own business if he isn't hurting you or your family, then it has nothing to do with you and should be none of your concern. |
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And the truth is that cattle die. Livestock dies at times. It is not always from old age, and vets are not God. Even with vet care livestock dies. It is common, and acceptable, in most places to allow scavengers to clean up carrion. And to the other poster..... What in the world makes you think eighty cattle is a "puppy" mill cattle style? Lots of places keep 100s of bovine. |
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I was reading along with you until you brought up the PM word. You do know that it isn't illegal to breed and raise dogs? and that everyone who has a dog breeding program is labeled by someone as a PM? if things continue to go the way they are, with that mind set, good luck trying to find a well bred dog in 10 years. |
There is absolutely no comparison between a puppy mill and cattle on pasture, that is ridiculous.
Again, if your neighbor is intentionally mistreating his cattle, get the law after him. If he isn't, but he just doesn't love them enough to suit you, get over it. |
We have heavy clay soil. Unless you have big equipment to do it with, which we don't, it would be very, very impractical to try to bury large animals when they die. Even my beloved goat went to the back for the coyotes. We have buried the dogs when they die, but it is hard work!
I doubt that a dead animal really cares that other animals eat its carcass. |
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OK, so someone hauls a carcass into a back field for coyotes. Now those coyotes are coming over their neighbors fence and devastating the goat herds and geese flocks of the neighbors... Yeah, no harm baiting them into the area with meat then leaving them to start hunting more. I'm starting to think people need to haul it close to their house and kill off coyotes that come after it. Let the vultures finish cleaning it up. Then they are the ones with the smell and predators coming close to their other livestock. Just my opinion...
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This is from the Agricultural Zoning in my area:
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I do not like that you said a cow was in a creek and I would probably call someone about that because it pollutes the creek for everyone down stream. There are probably waterway laws that would apply but as for leaving a dead critter for the scavengers to clean up somewhere on his land not in a stream then it's not your concern. |
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All we've ever taken in are C-sections, and even those are fairly rare when you have long, wiry arms like my favorite cowboy. ;) Quote:
One of the ranches I used to drive through on my way to teach school a few years ago had a cow die right next to the road. She got downhill and no one found her soon enough to get her up. When she died, the owner didn't move her and after a couple of days I started taking a periodic photo of her. This is a cow at two days dead. This is a cow at 6 days dead. This is a cow at two weeks. Etc, etc. And because I had nothing but ranch kids in my little country school, those photos became part of a science unit! :D Regarding the original post, the whole story sounds odd... |
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ErinP, your science unit is hilarious *to me!* :D
Out here we call the boneyard "The Hinterlands". No neighbors can see it though so maybe that is the BEST plan? Put it where no 'concerned' neighbors have to watch the decomp happen. :shrug: Funny how it is a non-issue when it is a roadkilled deer or elk along the highway, instead of a cow in the field. Meat is meat to the carrion eaters whether we are emotionally attached or not. :shrug: |
There "used" to be a small dairy op not too far from me that made it a practise to pile up their dead cows. Normally I wouldn't have a problem with that, but these folks were piling them up next to a fence. On the other side of the fence were three or four houses. Talk about yucko. I can't even imagine how bad that smelled when the temp hit 112. The flies were just beyond out of control around that place. Needless to say the folks living down wind put in a call to the County Health Dept. All they had to do at that time was to pick up the phone and a man in a big truck would come and haul them for free. Sometimes I do wonder "what were they thinking?" We see dead animals in the pasture and don't think a thing about it, but piling them up next to the neighbors fence is asking for it.
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There are 2 phone #'s you can call:
1-800-MindYourOwnBusiness if no one answers try 1-800-CryMeARiver |
sort of off topic, but for those of you that have dealt with dead animals in the pasture, do you find that animals killed by a lightining strike are left alone by the larger scavengers? I've had several of the ranchers in this area say that happens.
The practice around here is to drag them off so they are not in plain sight, though on summer one was left near the interstate fence and since I drive that route every day, I got to watch over the summer as it decomposted. It was a long slow process, as the scavengers left it alone. I suppose the small insects and rodents helped, but over time it got so only the bones were there, and good order. Even the cattle had left it completely alone until it was nothing but bones, then they walked over the bones and eventually you couldn't see them. I can still tell where it was as there is a spot of lush thick grass where it happened, though each year it's been less noticeable and by now its harder to pick out. |
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I remember the day when the meat wagon would pay you a little bit for your dead animals. Then they just picked them up for free, and now they want an arm and a leg to pick them up. I don`t have them come anymore either, we take them out back and cover them with a little bit of dirt. Putting them next to a fence with neighbors in full view would be just dumb. Some people just don`t play with a full deck, or a couple sandwiches short of a picnic lunch, and some are just onry. > Thanks Marc
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shagerman, I am sorry for jumping on you yesterday.
please forgive me. It is just when we see non ARs use the term Puppy mill it gets all of us breeders (not just dog breeders) upset. it is equal to the "n" word to us who work so hard to improve our chosen breed. It is now being used with others, bird mill bunny mill.......I have even seen chicken mill. I myself can't see a big difference in how we should treat livestock and pets. both should receive the best care,love and time we can afford to give them. I will say that I am with you on this. if you take on an animal you should be willing to try (with in your means) to care for it and keep it healthy. and yes take care of it if it dies. I want a riding/driving horse but I can't. only because vetting it is too much $$ and if it dies we would have to hire someone to dig and where to dig?? maybe silly to some to think that way but... that is just me... the Queen of "what ifs" |
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its ok.. i just used that term loosely.. i just wanted everyone to understand something about this guy. and i am sorry for putting it in those terms... |
look everyone. i am with my animals. most of the time. and i have had animals die.. but they are buried with respect. they have given me a lot of enjoyment and my cattle i love to death. along with my pigs and chickens and dogs and cats. maybe i have went to far on this subject. but what i wrote was all correct. and i have a hard time with people who abuse animals because of stupidity.i work as a bartender.. i make due with what i have.. and i make sure my animals are fed well. ill go without before they do....but this guy just makes me want to puke. i have sold animals out here before and they will all tell you.. that i do take care of them.. and i have a healthy relationship with my animals. ..all i was asking was what to do...
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I think you make a mountain out of a molehill and need to let it rest.
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Maybe part of the problem is your evident perception that livestock should be pets. Livestock is livestock. You mention your "healthy relationship" with your animals. Where did you get the idea that we should have relationships with our livestock? My relationship with my livestock consists of me providing for their needs including caring for them when they're sick, within reason. If it's something that will cost more than the animal is worth to fix they are culled. Occasionally I will have a favorite which will occasionally afford that animal a little more latitude but in the end they are farm animals, not pets and not my family. This is real life, not a disney movie.
"Buried with respect?" Again, they are animals. Totally not fair for you to expect your neighbor to share your perception of how his "relationship" should be with his animals. And for you to threaten to call someone and report him is pretty distasteful in all honesty. I'm glad you aren't my neighbor. Unless the cows are starving to death, like I said before, it's really none of your business. And you haven't indicated that this is the case. |
Lots of differences in a farmer who makes their living from animals and a pet owner.
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OK from the movie ...Outlaw Josey Wales...the buzzards have to eat just like the WORMS....I see NO difference..one of the main reasons we bury is so the last memory we have is them all nice..and out of mind.....if we have to see them decay or know stuff was eating them that makes it hard if you really cared for them.....but we all know what happens to them UNDER GROUND ALSO Yes dogs I bury other stuff I take to the woods....BUT it will be hard for me to not bury my Horse...but still worms
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I agree with pancho; I think what we're seeing is that division that shows up here fairly regularly between those who treat their cattle like pets and those who treat them like livestock. :shrug: |
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