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What nobody has mentioned is the spiritual argument. If you are a Christian (you mentioned "church"), then you might consider just paying what he wants and move on. That way you can be sure you acted as an ambassador of Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to work on him and his problem. Then never do business with him again. We are to forgive but we are not God and normally cannot forget and there is nothing that says you have to allow him the opportunity to take advantage of you again.
I did this with a non-Christian mechanic who did sub-par work and lead me to believe I needed a new engine (something like $3500) when the problem was a broken valve spring ($150 fix). I paid what I owed for his services even though I felt I should pay nothing because I did not want to give him any opportunity to badmouth me and my God. of course, then I told everyone I could of my experience, so they could avoid bad work, too. So he got my $300 (or whatever it was) and he lost far more than that in future work for any of my friends. |
Just an aside, looking back at the pictures I took the morning after we brought them home, a closer look reveals the ringworm already started around the eye of the one that has it the worst. So on top of everything else, yes, they came with the ringworm. At least they haven't (yet) given it to my other animals.
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Heres a lesson. When you bring new livestock onto your place, QUARANTINE THEM from your other animals for a period of at least a week, preferably two. You never know what types of thing you could be spreading to your animals. Do not just bring something home and throw it in with the rest of your animals or you could spread something you cant get rid of and something that could possibly kill your animals.
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haypoint, I would agree with you if the buyer had paid for specific animals but since they had only paid for a specific number, the injured animal should not have been included.
I will agree that a stranger in the loading area can cause problems but I solve that by handing the buyer a cup of coffee and telling them that loading was just one of those little services I provide so they could sit back, relax and watch how we handle the cattle so they'll have some idea of what to expect when they get them home. |
My husband has managed a whole lot more cattle than this guy ever will. He was standing off to the side of the trailer, not at all in the way. The two sellers had their hands on that animal running it up the uncapped t-post. If they had backed off when the animal didn't cooperate, she would not have been hurt. I'm not giving haypoint or our sellers any credit at all on this count. It only serves to give me an idea what kind of seller he is. We will NEVER pay in advance again for ANYTHING. We'd thought we were doing him a favor, and this is what we've gotten for it.
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So my two cents, and by no means an experienced two cents...
He should have KNOWN better than to try to keep hands on any kind of large animal! I have a hand raised heifer who will let me scratch all over her and follows me around like a puppy and if pushed too hard to go somewhere she doesn't want to go, she will attempt through a fence too (and I'm pretty sure that being eaten by a big scary trailer monster would do the trick of convincing her she doesn't want to go "that" way mom!). Oh, and I have a scar on my leg from attempting to hold on to a yearling llama when it got it in it's head to run and took me up over the t-post :ashamed: I was sooooo embarrassed by my own stupidity that I tried to downplay the ouch as much as possible (couldn't hide the scrape marks fast enough to not have the new owner notice). I wouldn't have dreamed of blaming her for something I decided to do :ashamed: If you walk away without a replacement animal that is the equivalent of $500 toward that $600 vet bill so if he doesn't consider that fair, that's even more that he should be ashamed of. HE was loading, HE pushed her too hard, HE decided to take a $500 animal to the vet for a $600, so in my mind HE should be responsible just like I would feel he was responsible if he walked on to MY property and pushed MY animal too hard. |
mary,tx, I'm not sure if you were responding to me or haypoint but in either case, I have always made a point of loading a buyer's animal for a a reason. I've found that animals can be funny if there is a stranger in the mix, if a person is injured while loading, I can be sued, it gives me the chance to show the buyer how my animals are handled and what to expect if they handle them the same way and more importantly, I want that buyer to have the best possible experience because you can't beat word of mouth advertising.
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You paid for the cattle two weeks before you picked them up. Your friend was holding your cattle - as a favour to you. Your friends were loading the cattle with you there. Unfortunately the cow is yours as is the vet bill.
As for not choosing your own cattle. I don't understand why you would just buy sight unseen. Agreeing to this means you got what was chosen for you and you accepted the cow that was injured before it was injured (they were loading it). Too late to change your mind only after it was injured. |
And it wouldn't matter to you, I suppose, if you were the one who injured the animal, and the one who decided to leave it at the vets for a couple of weeks. I'm sorry, this has been on my nerves for awhile now. I know that if the shoe had been on the other foot, I would have apologized and given the money back on the spot. So learning that that is NOT the way other people think has been truly an unpleasant learning experience for me.
I understand that we shouldn't have trusted this man to begin with. As those of you know who have followed this saga from the beginning, I never wanted these cattle. DH did. He's very, very sorry now that he did. He had heard good things from a mutual friend. There are going to be hard feelings all around on this. Very hard feelings all around. I'm only hoping that this man's wife and I will be able, somehow, to remain friends, but I'm not sure. We will be making church visits together on Friday, and I'm hoping that we can just not bring this up. Because if we do, I'm sure I'll say things I'll regret. To those of you who told me tough beans, well, it just goes to show that you are also people I would never, ever want to do business with. |
Mary
Your learning, unfortunately sometimes tuition is expensive. |
This is one of the most torturous threads I have ever read in the cattle forum.
Maybe we should take up a collection to spring that heifer from the vets? :angel: |
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Lets see... 500 dollar cow, impaled herself on a t-post... what person with any sense would take her to the vet??? He deserves what he gets. An expensive lesson. He also was not honorable about the whole injury thing. Again, karma. |
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