50 yds with a 22LR
 

Man that thing is quite mangie(SP).

Nice shot!

Well done. Scope or iron?

scope ...never saw one with the cuts on side like this one.....like he rubbed on a bard wire fence for days

Darn good shot, you did us all a favor, maybe even the coyote (looks like the suffering is over)....Topside

Good shot. He does look like he was suffering quite a bit from an extreme case of mange. Guess there won't be a pelt from that one. The cuts could be from his own scratching. Mange is a maddening disease, they'll scratch themselves raw.

Did he get to any stock?

Did he get to any stock?
NOT FROM ME BUT I AM MISSING A BARN CAT

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Nice Shot. Mine was 75 yards, 44 mag, iron sights. :) I love shootin' coyotes!

Why is it that I find something distinctly distasteful about this type of post. Your ancestors moved into a country where these animals were native/endemic and because they didn't fit in to their lifestyle or those that came after them, they become a pest. And then you "love" to shoot them.

Myers, your animal appears to have been very sick and you would have probably done it, the rest of the coyote population and yourselves a favour.
Skelton, if a nose job is the best you can do, you need to go back to the drawing board. That is a disgusting photo and I wouldn't want you knocking over a beast, pig or sheep if that's the best you can do. I can shoot a possum at that range and have a head kill - and if I don't think I can, I won't.

Ronnie

And right back at ya. Check out your ancestors:

At least we won't run out of coyotes.

This has to be one of the funniest post I have seen. First the sad story about how the coyote was here first. Then a jab about marksmanship. Then a brag about how goofd of a shot you are on the poor possum. LOL

^^^^ what he SAID

LOL at Ronney!!! You want the other picture of the coyote that I took???? The one with the ewe in it that it had killed and was eating??? I can post it too! I was aiming for it's ear/back of the head, and it looked at me right as I pulled the trigger. :) Just for the record, I started shooting coyotes when they started attacking my flock of sheep and killing lambs for fun. Most of the time, they didn't even eat them. This was one of the times this young coyote thought it was safe not to run. As far as the marksmanship "stab", I'll laugh for days about that!!! 75 YARDS with iron sights on a .44 mag rifle, right on the nose, is a good shot. Coyote didn't "suffer" as much as my ewe did. It dropped dead right there. :)

Myersfarm.....keep on droppin' em :) LOL!

I do have a 22-250 bought just for THEM...and a 22 mag I care most the time....this 22 LR is the one i keep in shop for rats and skunks and posseums.......now I can tell rest of story...the gun was dropped knocked the scope off...it shots 6 inches low....I thought I need to over shot him by a foot and I did....why I thought it was one lucky shot

We put a lot of time and money into our livestock and when something is picking them off for food or for fun we need to talk matters into our own hands. I do not like killing things but will in a heart beat if its going after one of my goats, or dogs. We have a bad coyote problem here and when I first moved in here we had a HORRIBLE wild boar problem. You could hear them screaming and running about at night. Needless to say I learned fast to NEVER go outside without a gun.

Coyotes weren't a problem here until all the city folks from California moved in and started treating them like they are Disney's Bambi and feeding them. Oh look how cute. Aren't we lucky to have them right up on the back porch. Now they have no fear of humans and think that people are simply food dispensers.

They'll walk up and kill your livestock and pets right under your nose. They need to have a few guns fired at them to teach them some caution.

Anything that comes into livestock, just got its walking papers. Guns are at the door and ready to go. We also have bear doing the same thing here. Once they have a taste for it they are always back for more and then teach their young how to get an easy meal.

I personally have no problem with shooting problem animals. I do not have a taste for those that shoot coyotes for "sport". I just don't see the sport in it. A problem animal is just that, one that is causing a problem to your stock.

After what we did to get rid of the Native Americans, a coyote is nothin'.

Ed, this is what I would consider to be a non-constructive post - pulled straight out of Wikipedia, no knowledge of what your repeating, nothing to back up that incorrect list. Even the date that the Maori arrived here is off target and makes no reference at all to the people that the Maori wiped out who would have also had an impact. Many of the birds in that last list were already on their way out before the Maori got here. I don't expect you to know NZ history but if your going to quote it, make sure you have it right because I doubt you even knew that another people were here prior to the Maori. And look to your own history before you start pointing the finger at mine.

There's really nothing to be said to that is there Haypoint. The colonials did it in America, Canada, Australia, South Africa, India, NZ etc. with Australia and America probably being the worst. Nothing can change that but it might be sensible to learn from it - one day you will run out of coyotes.

So, having got that off my chest, I had been going to come back and edit my post as being less than tactless but have problems staying connected. In the meantime, many have had a lot of fun at my expense. I hope you enjoyed it.

Skelton, your post may have made more sense if you had told the whole story right from the beginning rather than post a photo of a nose-shot dog and turn it into a brag. To make it worse you then went on to ridicule.

thestartupman, your post is offensive. There was no sad story, there was a jab at marksmanship, there was no brag about how good a shot I am. What I said was that if I didn't think I could do it I wouldn't. In fact, I'm not a very good shot at all due to stigmatism so that if I have any doubt at all, I don't.

I could continue on and have a discussion but I don't think it's worth the hassle. To the likes of you Ed, you have little knowledge of the bird life in NZ, the fact that until the arrival of man the country was predator free and therefore the native birdlife had no instinct for fright and flight. Some of our existing birds are prehistoric and are flightless making it very difficult to keep them safe and ironically the Kiwi heads the list.

While I can fully understand the need to keep stock safe, it also becomes a matter of compromise and respect. Respect your wildlife, it is precious.

Cheers,
Ronnie

"We're all downstream."

(David Suzuki, Environmentalist)

Interesting responses.
Most of Michigan is rural. A huge segment of the population live in and around Detroit. Sometimes nature is prettier to watch from a distance. Difficult balance when the masses in thee city make choices for those that actually live with the problem.

Michigan allowed the use of hunting dogs when hunting for bear. A pack of dogs chasing a beautiful black bear seems cruel. By banning dogs, hunters would have little success and bear populations would rise. It wasn't until there were some bear sightings near metro-Detroit that folks decided that successful bear hunting wasn't such a bad thing.

Coyotes are now common to most Michigan suburbs. People often times change their "Nature is beautiful and must be preserved" viewpoint when confronted with these predators.

Interesting change in the north woods of Michigan. Wolves have returned to this region. They compete for food with coyotes and hunt coyotes. To survive, coyotes have moved closer to homes and farm buildings, because the wolves are more wary. So the wolves dine on pastured sheep and the coyotes eat the barn cats.

this post cracks me up!!! ;) thanks for the giggle guys!!!

Here is my take on the Ronney picture. I am glad you nailed that sucker. I have made some awesome shots, and a few not so awesome ones.

I am a member of a forum that is all about trapping and hunting. If you post a picture like that on there, you are automatically banned, unless you agree to never do that again. There are tasteful hunting and trapping pictures, and then there are rough ones. yours to me fits in the rough ones category. I am a hunter, I have seen death, some good and clean, some not so slick to behold. The point and problem I see with it, is that it feeds the anti hunters out there. It may not bother you or I, but it WILL bother some. If they see these types of pictures, run them in the paper, and say this is what coyote hunting is about, look out. There are more of them than us. We need to be mindful of that, if we want to keep our privilege of hunting and trapping.

I am glad you got him, and a good shot with a .44 and all, but we need to be mindful, IMO. Why risk it? The treehuggers, and the urbanites removed from nature already complain, why give them more reason? Whether we like it or not, we need to be sensitive to that: again there are more of them than of us, and the perception they which have no clue may have by seeing a picture like that, is not grounded in reality necessarily.

I mean no harm, and no ill will whatsoever, I only think we need some tactfulness as hunters/trappers. Not to hide the truth, but to maintain our lifestyles, our outdoor endeavors in a healthy light to those that don't have a clue.

I hope folks understand this opinion... Good shot, but....

Perhaps you might like to let thickos like me in on the joke:( (Couldn't find an evil smilie)

farmerDale, while your post is a nice, middle-of-the-road bit of writing, you don't have my take at all. In the past I've done my fair share of hunting - deer, pigs and game birds - and have also seen the good and the bad shots. The bad shots are those I don't want to remember let alone post photos of no matter who shot them and by that I mean the beast or the photo.

I'm not an urbanite, I'm not a greenie, I'm not a treehugger. I am a farmer and a compromiser. As Ed so unsubtlely pointed out, NZ has an eneviable record and I do my best to make the compromise between my livelihood and my heritage and most of the time I can make it work. What Ed (and other posters who found it funny) failed to point out or recognise was that American history is not too crash hot either and instead of pointing the finger at NZ, they might well be better off learning from it and how easy it is to dispose of wildlife to the point that it disappears forever. I can assure you, it is not hard to do.

Cheers,
Ronnie

While you are out there shooting stuff, see if you can drop a few feral swine. Sorry, Ronnie, try as we may, we haven't been able to wipe the feral swine out:

Gardners, PA --(Ammoland.com)- Talk to any wildlife biologist in the southern United States about wild pigs, and you're likely to hear something akin to at least one of the following, "They're the four-legged equivalent of fire ants;" "If the average litter is six, typically eight survive;" "Only a fence that will hold water will hold feral hogs."



Even the most rigorous scientists are reduced to using these tongue-in-cheek aphorisms to describe the harsh reality and seemingly apocalyptic future of North America's second-most harvested mammalian game species, reports the Wildlife Management Institute.



No other domesticated animal becomes feral so easily and survives more adaptively than the swine. Often labeled the "ultimate generalist," the pig's spread throughout North America via a biological trifecta of high reproductive potential, climate tolerance and ability to re-organize entire ecosystems has resulted in something not unlike a pandemic. According to those who have witnessed the wild pig's march across the continent, the invasion is best characterized as an "ecological train wreck."



Forty-five states and four Canadian provinces are currently grappling with the environmental and financial calamity brought about by the feral, wild or hybrid pigs within their borders. Though population estimates are difficult to determine, most experts believe that North America is home to between three and six million wild pigs.

Darn right I was unsubtle. I see plenty of America bashing on these forums. You dive into a thread about a good shot on a coyote and say:

Suddenly, it becomes another knock on Americans and their evil ways, with the inference that the poster comes from a much better place where everything lives in harmony. I did a quick search and came up with many lists of man-extincted NZ species. Wiki was the easiest to cut and paste the list from, but there are many scientific screeds making the same lists. So when you point at someone, remember those other fingers pointing back at you.

Anyone ever fly over this country? Most of it is uninhabited and fairly wild. When a preditor takes a preference to the slower moving meals, inside my fence line, I take exception. This is an aid to natural selection. Those that are fast enough to catch a rabbit, live. Those that prefer the lazy preditor's method of pinning down a fat yearling lamb, are getting culled.

I once got a good look at the circle of life. I raised three orphan lambs. That fall, I found buyers and they were soon headed to a breeding farm. But when I got home from work, I discovered three steaming carcuses. After the coyotes killing spree, the ravens had a feast. The autum sun was still warm enough that the maggots and flies took their turn.
Ah, Mother nature, the circle of life. At peace with each other.

Maybe instead of shooting coyotes, you should set hot dogs on the back porch steps for them. Then you and your children can explore the circle of life, too. Yea, I don't think so either.

I've always thought that commercial harvesting and selling of feral swine meat would be a good way to reduce the numbers.

Yes market hunting usually reduces the population pretty quickly. The coyote is a notable exception. After centuries of poisoning, trapping, aerial shooting, running dogs the coyotes are expanding their range. From what I've read anything less than an annual take of more than 50% has no impact on the population. I trapped NE New Mexico one winter and a guy told me that the state went after the coyotes with a helicopter. In 4 hours they shot 44 coyotes.

The only thing I've seen impact them is when the big wuffs moved into our area. They coyotes moved out and the fox numbers grew. Now I'm seeing some coyotes return but just singles or doubles.

I went back to the original post and looked. myersfarm I think you had an awesome shot on that coyote. Glad you took it. I looked and as far as I can tell, it was pretty much a "brag picture". I don't blame you a bit. That's why I took my pictures. For those of you that haven't figured it out....that "nose shot" was the entrance of the bullet, while the coyote was looking at me. I just posted a "brag photo", too. But it seems to have bothered some of you, so I deleted my picture, which should have made it go away here. Anyway, I'm gonna keep on shooting every coyote that walks across our pastures. They started killing lambs....and grown ewes. Unacceptable in my book.

Yes, I love shooting coyotes......because it's not as easy as you would think, when they are already fairly sneaky. It's a challenge. It's not the killing that I like, it's the challenge of making the shot, usually, at a long distance.

I think there are too many people out there that are "soft" about shooting an animal. But the bottom line is, when you've watched a PREDATOR grab a baby lamb, and rip it's throat out, it makes you not want to pet on them or protect them, or say that "They were here first." It'll make you want to protect your flock. By whatever means necessary. The first year we "hunted" the coyotes, we trapped 5, and I shot 6. My sheep were a lot safer. The mangy ones were killed later in the year, when winter was setting in, while the fat pretty ones were shot after a spring of dining on lamb....to the point they were killing them for fun. Not because they were hungry. Just b/c one isn't mangy and starving doesn't give it a ticket to walk. I don't set up calls, or go out in the woods to find them. I shoot the ones that are in my pasture. We had the traps set in the fence line where they were known to come into the pasture.

So....I guess my point is......I didn't post to offend, so I took it off.

To those of you who got what I was saying....Thanks.....There is some hope left.

That is the smallest dead coyote I've ever seen, congrats too BTW. That's one less I have to shoot.

:rock: as long as it's dead, what does it matter? If it's looking right at ya take the head shot, even if it's through the nose...I guess some people have never seen a coyote kill a sheep, it's not nice nor quick.

http://www.buckmanager.com/2011/12/1...and-whitetail/

Just imagine what they could do to a goat or calf...

This thread has been reported to me for a 'look see' . Well I don't see anything in particular which is a problem requiring edition. For whoever posted the 'report' notice, please be more specific.

why, because you don't have to deal w/ coyotes in NZ and so you can anthropomorphise them more readily.
that isn't necessarily true. unless Skelton lives west of the Mississippi River (and veiwing his photo i suspect not), coyotes are NOT native. they didn't move east until DDT nearly wiped out the raptors and the small game population exploded. this began around the mid 1940s. you made an assumption & you know what happens when you assume.

you're nitpicking accuracy of details because you can't disprove the substance of his argument. which is that everyone's ancestors have extincted something somewhere along the way. by virtue of that fact, taking a wizz on anyones head for killing anything is just stupid hypocrisy.



you're clearly arguing from a position of ignorance. the coyote since the arrival of european colonists has quadrupled it's range in north america and because much of the new range has MUCH better carrying capacity, it actually has increased it's population by a factor of around 10X. biologically coyotes respond to predation by INCREASING the size of their litters. 50% predation will keep a population fairly static & w/o an increase of range. it requires a MINIMUM of 80% attrition to reduce a population. further because our environment is an open system (unlike an island which is a closed system), coyotes can (& do) recolonize localized areas from which they have been eradicated. for example, I have friends that hunt coyote fairly intensively on weekends & hollidays. a few consistantly take over 50 a year. some have completely eradicated coyotes in an area of several square miles and had the place recolonized within 3 years. the only way you'd know the coyotes had ever been gone was the high population of small game.


Ed doesn't need to be the dean of ornithology at the university of aukland to point out that your borderline american bashing comment to Skelton was hypocritical.

this in bold was the most productive & intelligent comment you've made.

Exactly Pops..regarding coyotes increasing population when hunted..I did not know this til a fellow sheep farmer told me about it. Hence why I subscribe to a good LGD for predator control on my flock..keeps them away, without essentially needing to "hunt" them.

I'm just scratchin my head wondering why it's in the cattle forum. Did I miss somethin?