Does she look like a free martin
 

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...irywhosit1.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...irywhosit2.jpg

I know, I know, I need to get her tested, but here are some pictures of her whosit, at the risk of appearing to be someone who needs help taking pictures of her cows bottom, does she look like a free martin?

I think it's an internal exam....and you can't tell from external pictures.....
I hope she's not!

If I recall correctly, one of the signs is extra/more hair in that area. The photo seems to show more hair, but you still gotta get an internal check.

That is a lot of hair but I wouldn't fret till you have a vet do the internal exam. Hopefully she's just a hairy girl....it can happen!

What do her teats look like? Can you find them? The only freemartins I've had experience with had ones about the size of pencil erasers

What makes you think that it may be a freemartin? I have reared calves with vulvas every bit as hairy as this and they went on to make excellent milk producers and excellent mothers.;)

Have her tested either by internal examination or bloods.

Cheers,
Ronnie

Lets see, yes she has four nipples, she is only four months old but they are all there and a bit of a bag forming as well. I am paranoid she is a free martin because I only paid $250 for her when she was a week old, and figured it was because she was sick, but when I heard about the hairy whosit (my other cow is a boy) I started to worry. She was supposed to be a Jersey, but folks who have seen her picture say she is probably mixed...

thanks Ronnie, I just haven't seen that many cow fannies I guess...you give me hope

Did you pay $25 or $250 for her? If you did pay $250 for her then that's a fair price for a week old heifer...That's what I'd expect to pay...Topside

I paid $250 for her

Then that is very fair. I paid $130 for my jersey/angus cross heifer at two weeks old and there was a guy who had sold jersey heifers for $250 or so, so I wouldn't think her price way off. I would love to see a picture of all of her though! LOL!

Have to do a blood test to be positive. A friend got 2 heifers one year, then 2 more the next year. The first two had very hairy whosits, the second two much less hair but eraser teats. The second two were both freemartins. She'd paid prices for non-freemartins and was not happy at all :( Very expensive beef as they became sick and needed a lot of care to survive... What state did you get yours from?

In most cases you can't tell by looking or even by feeling at this age. You can have a blood test done to be sure. That might save you some time and effort if you were going to train her as a milker. Good luck....

I got her in Alabama, off Craigs list, and picked her up at a gas station, guy pulled her from the back of his pickup truck and she was so ill and filthy I couldn't make myself put her in the trailer, so she road home in the back of my hummmer

do you guys mean shaped like erasers or the size of an eraser? she is five months old and her little teets are about the size and thickness of the last joint of my little finger,maybe an inch long (she is developing slowly due to be dreadfully sick when I got her) but two are flat on the end where the hole is.

here are some pictures of her little bag, what must my neighbors think, first they see be taking pictures of her butt, then holding a camera under her belly, they probably think I am part of some photo beastiality ring or something:)
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...nabellbag3.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...abellsbag1.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...nabellbag3.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/.../annabelle.jpg
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She might be all jersey really as they can be dark. She reminds of my jers/angus heifer though. Not a bad cross if so. Cute calf though! I think she looks completely normal but what do I know. LOL!

Doesn't look like one, but appears to be a cross of some kind.

Oh, I've seen these animals before. She's a Buckethead calf. They're cute! I've also seen Buckethead lambs before. They're not quite as smart as other breeds, but they are usually pretty entertaining.

:p

I'm the lady who bought the two freemartins that were supposed to be "future milkers". They are Holstein heifers I paid $275 each for from Katharine Smith aka War Painted Ponies in Danville, Alabama. The only way to be really SURE if the heifer is a free martin or not is a blood test. It's not all that hard or expensive and it's worth it to get it done sooner rather than later.
Good luck she is a pretty little girl!

People sure can be mean, greedy, and heartless...Topside

Yes they can topside. An amish friend out this way said that a few years back someone came through the community with a trailer load of heifers for sale at a really good price. He said everyone in the community bought enough that the trailer left empty. Not a single one of them ever had a calf. Ever. He said he couldn't believe that someone could do something like that and then said, "Ya know, after he left that day he ain't never been back since. I guess he was scared to." LOL! I couldn't imagine ever doing that to someone.

Looks bigger than Cheryl's cows did, but, once again, blood test for a positive. It's easy once you get the right needle LOL Poor girls, learn from me, get a short needle!

Cheryl, I bought a holstien heifer from a lady named Katherine in Danville and she had paint horses but others also, not sure if that would be the same person, my heart was set on a jersey and I sold her to a friend of mine. Later when I heard about FM I told my friend I would buy her back if she turned out to be a FM, but she thinks she is pregnant so I think we are okay, she wasn't worried about it. The lady I bought her from said the vet said she would make a good replacement cow...funny, she said she had four origionally and this was her last one....

Thats her. I just can not believe this. I'd definitely get that heifer tested.

http://www.geneticvisions.net/freemartin.aspx

She had 3 when I bought mine on May 1, 2010 and she told me the same thing. Then when I had my two tested and BOTH came back freemartins she told me she was unaware of it and gave me a big sob story about having a new baby and having sick horses. Then she threatened to sue me for telling people she ripped me off because she "didn't know". Obviously she never sued me~ what was she gonna sue for? As I told her the TRUTH is an absolute defense against slander (and besides....slander is verbal, I WROTE my accusations and if they were untrue they would be LIBEL but again with the TRUTH being an absolute defense) I very seriously considered sueing her and I have all my evidence including screen shots from her website where she is advertising that last heifer you bought as a "Future milker" but I was having some health issues and getting worked up over her and her crap was just too much for me so I let it go.

If yours is a freemartin~ and I would definitely test her if I were you~ I have screenshots of the ads and proof that mine are freemartins and I'll testify for you if you sue her.

Sure hope your friend's heifer got pregnant, the woman refused to test the remaining one. Of course her "vet" "swore they were fine...

Does she have a website? Are there any "future milkers" listed on there now? Farmgirl....is there any way you can get her tested? I am more leaning that you might considering Cheryl's experience and it happens to be the same lady.

Is this the heifer you bought?
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/N...martinLG_1.jpg


These are the two I bought on May 1st 2010
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/N...martinLG_2.jpg

You can see that third heifer in the picture behind the two I bought.
These are my two test results
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/N...ticvisions.jpg

I called her at the time I got those test results in September of 2010 and told her those calves were freemartins and she gave me a big sob story about her sick baby and failing farm. I let it go, but first I posted an ad on the Craigslist I bought the heifers from warning whomever bought the third heifer to have her tested. Then in December Carol pointed out that she had posted lies about our transaction on her web site~V she said I paid less than I did, I have proof I paid $275 each, said she had a receipt I signed saying I paid less and knew they could be freemartins...if she has any such thing it is a forgery because I signed nothing and she later admitted that to me on the phone. I have more screen shots and witnesses to the conversations that took place. But I was ill and she was frankly kind of a lunatic~ she knows where I live and I was sick so I let it go again.

Sorry you got taken too.
I still have my two out in the pasture. They grow abysmally slowly~ they are tiny for their age and it will be next year before I can butcher them at the earliest

this is a pic of them this last Feb (I don't have any current pics where you can see the markings clearly enough to SEE they are the same calves)
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/H...2011%20026.jpg

they are also in this picture from July but it is hard to see them behind the bull there all the way to the right
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/H.../Cattle7-7.jpg

Wow it's amazing how mad I am again all of a sudden!

Pics didn't develop for me Cheryl...Topside

well nuts~ let me try putting in links for those the pics don't come up for.

This should be the first pic of what I think is the heifer she bought (screen shot from sellers web site)
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/N...martinLG_1.jpg

This should be the two I bought with the one she bought in the picture with them (also a screen shot from sellers web site)
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/N...martinLG_2.jpg

This should be a copy of my freemartin testing from genetic visions on those two heifers
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/N...ticvisions.jpg

This should be a picture of those two heifers growing poorly with over extended bellies (wonder why they think the other one is pregnant?) last Feb in my pasture
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/H...2011%20026.jpg

This should be a picture of those two heifers in July in my pasture~ still growing poorly and overextended bellies. The calf to the left of the bull was born in Feb 2011~ the Pic is unclear ~ but the two heifers in question are all the way to the right behind the bull, I would take a new picture but husband is out of town with my camera right now. You can see that they are not much bigger than the calf born in Feb 2011 but they were "weaned" in April 2010
http://thereddragonsden.com/images/H.../Cattle7-7.jpg

Cheryl, I can see all the photos now...thanks

Your last photo could be a desktop...nice pic.

had to be the same lady
 

wow, had to be the same lady, she was pregnant and ready to have the baby when I bought Olivia. She only had the one left, and actually had been working with her, tying up and handling her udder, I paid $400 so I got even more hosed if she is a FM. However I sold her for the same price to my friend at ten months and a good size, and my freind keeps beef cow, and well, I don't want to think about it but if she is a FM my friend will likely still come out ahead...although I did offer to buy her back..l don't think the picture was Livia, she had less white. Cheryl I am sorry you got taken, I feel bad because I sold a cow without checking but at least I offered to make it right... I suppose it will be divine justice if my little Annebelle is:)

OH! Don't even suggest such a thing! Get Annabelle tested. You sound like you must be reasonably local to Carol and I~ we are about an hour South of Huntsville. Do you need us to help you get a blood sample off Annabelle?

thanks, I can get her tested, I just haven't I think because I don't want to find out she is, she is A2/A2, I need to though because even though I will keep her and she will become another pet, I need to start again if I want a milk cow. I have been on travel all this week for work but will be back Tommorrow and will get cracking..I do not know if my friend will get Liv tested if she is not pregnant now, I can offer to do that if it would help you if she does not calve.

Cheryl, the first two you bought the year before, was it the same lady? the ones with the Hairy whosits? or just these two...

No, the first 2 came from Tennessee and they weren't FM. Just the 2 came from her and both of them are FM

wow Cheryl, I am sorry to get you so upset about this all over again after what you went through...I actually sold Olivia to her for $250 at nine months I remember I wanted her to have a good home and just needed enough to buy Annabelle so I hosed myself a little in the process by selling her for less than paid for her, and I paid to have her dehorned as well....anyway, my feed store lady was mad at my friend for only paying $250 for a calf that big, but then again she butchers her cows and I guess that is low for a feeder calf..but my friend wanted a milk cow so I sure hope she is pregnant, she said she thought she went into heat and thinks she is settled...I am going to feel like crap if she is a FM, and I will look like I sold her just for that reason, but that was not that at all, I just wanted a Jersey and this other one came up for sale, I didn't realize Olivia would get as big as she is supposed to, and my husband has a strict one out one in rule at the farm to keep me under control or I would still have both and never sold Olivia...what a mess! If I could to and smack this chic for both of us I would...

Pregnancy test is only 7.50 plus shipping. Freemartin test is 25. Like Cheryl said, we'll help get the sample off both girls if they're close to us. That way there'd be no doubt.

she looks good to me but do the test