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Old 03/13/11, 03:52 PM
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Thanks, I tried to google club calf and that was where I ended up. Is it a composite breed?
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Old 03/13/11, 04:42 PM
 
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Gomer bulls are intact but usually had a vasectomy to render them sterile. They are used for heat detection for AI.

They are not used as much anymore since there are more reliable ways to sinc. groups to come into heat at the same time.
In this area gomer bulls usually have penis sheath relocation surgery.
Everything is there they just can't "hit the mark", sort of a mistercompletely deal.
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Old 03/13/11, 05:12 PM
 
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A club calf is a quality calf for a child to raise and hopefully win in 4H. They tend to sell for a premium price, at least in my area. They have to be the right age and the right breed to finish at the right weight for the date of the county fair.

The gomers here are surgically relocated so that the penis comes out their side, and guess what? They can learn to hit the mark and get a cow pregnant; not a happy result.
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Old 03/13/11, 05:14 PM
 
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Linn and LFG: Club Calf is a breed: http://www.clubcalves.com/
The designation "Club Calf" is not for a breed. Rather it indicates that the cattle in the breeding were bred to meet the demands of the show calf market. Typically these are crosses with Maine Anjou, Chianina, or other heavy muscled breeds. Emphasis in these breedings is placed on eye appeal, muscling, hair growth, and other showring criteria.

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Old 03/13/11, 05:56 PM
 
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In this area gomer bulls usually have penis sheath relocation surgery.
Everything is there they just can't "hit the mark", sort of a mistercompletely deal.

They used to do that here but stopped. Some bulls are a lot more athletic than you give them credit!!

The relocated ones are also a hazard to be around when they ''mount'' if you are in range
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Old 03/13/11, 06:24 PM
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Linn and LFG: Club Calf is a breed: http://www.clubcalves.com/
No, they are not a breed like Hereford or Limousin or whatever. They are a TYPE, specifically a phenotype, for the show circuit. Someone may have bred a composite of this type and be selling it as a "breed", but it isn't. It could become a composite breed in the future, but right now "club calf" is not a distinct breed.
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Old 03/13/11, 08:22 PM
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I was relatively close about the club calves. But too far off the mark to really call it a "breed." So thanks, MO and Lazy J for the correction.
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Old 03/13/11, 10:09 PM
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Just trying to make sure what was stated was accurate; there are a lot of newbie's here. I went to the NAAB site and did a search for a breed code just to make sure before I contradicted something else that was posted. Wowza! They have a lot of breeds coded, here is a link to the list:
http://www.naab-css.org/guidelines/breed.html
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I have also heard that they usually got mean.
I believe Jerseys are often used as gomers, and they get mean anyway. But I suppose you might be a bit frustrated if you can't do your job right.
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The last farmer I knew of that had a gomer bull was back in the early 70's.

Now, it's just too convenient to synchronize the heat cycle on the cows, get them all bred at the same time. AI guy makes one trip to the farm and all the calves are born within a 72 hour period. Lots of hard work for a couple of days, but then calving is all over until next year.
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The last farmer I knew of that had a gomer bull was back in the early 70's.

Now, it's just too convenient to synchronize the heat cycle on the cows, get them all bred at the same time. AI guy makes one trip to the farm and all the calves are born within a 72 hour period. Lots of hard work for a couple of days, but then calving is all over until next year.


That is a little simplistic. They do not all settle with the first service.

I would say that 65%-70% would be more like it. Observed standing heat is by far the best indicator.
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Old 03/14/11, 09:22 PM
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They used to do that here but stopped. Some bulls are a lot more athletic than you give them credit!!

The relocated ones are also a hazard to be around when they ''mount'' if you are in range
OK. Maybe I am just super tired, but at this one I laughed so hard I cried.

Really, I have never heard of some of these terms. I need to write them down if I am going to be in this business. An interesting thread here.
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Old 03/14/11, 09:41 PM
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That is a little simplistic. They do not all settle with the first service.

I would say that 65%-70% would be more like it. Observed standing heat is by far the best indicator.

For the ones that don't settle with AI we use a "clean-up bull".
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If you want a heifer bull he had better be both predisposed (bred) to produce light calves and be young and light himself.

I sold a fine bull to a local man; he decided not to use him for a year and lent him to a neighbor who had a half dozen cows. The bull loafed and ate for a year, weighed close to two thousand pounds and broke down three cows the next year. Poor old Ferdinand went to market.
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