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Ok Old Timer, two can play the "check out this link" game.

Here is the definitive clearinghouse of DDGS and corn co-product information. I have shared the stage with Dr. Shurson on several occasions, he knows his stuff.

Minnestoa DDGS Site

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The rule reads 12:53:01:18 Maximum sulfur percentage required on label of
distillers products and corn gluten feed. The label of distillers products and corn
gluten feed, as defined in the Official Publication of the Association of American
Feed Control Officials Incorporated, 2003 Edition, pages 244-245 and 263 must
state the maximum sulfur in the product. The sulfur guarantee must be stated in
terms of percentage.
Source:
General Authority: SDCL 39-14-60
Law Implemented: SDCL 39-14-60
• The effect of the rules will be to require those who manufacture distiller and corn
gluten feed products to provide a maximum sulfur guarantee on the label of these
products.
• The reason for adopting the rule is to provide livestock producers with the
information they need to adjust their feed rations and/or management practice to
avoid the effect of sulfur toxicity in livestock.
Sulfur in Livestock Diets6
• Sulfur is an essential non-metallic element, generally representing about .25% of
body weight in most animals, present in larger compounds
• Sulfur containing compounds, such as collagen, enzymes, hemoglobin, insulin,
thiamine and biotin, as well as the four amino acids methionine, cystine, cysteine
and taurine serve essential functions in the body
• Dietary inorganic sulfur supplementation is generally not necessary for the health
of most monogastric animals due the fact that most animals do well with only the
organic sulfur sources in their diets
• Ruminants may respond to inorganic sulfur supplementation, especially if the diet
is high in non-protein nitrogen (NPN)
• The source of sulfur can determine its bioavailability, sulfates in water can be a
major source of sulfur intake
• Digesti and Weeth (19767) proposed that the maximum safe concentration of
sulfates in drinking water for cattle was 2,500ppm
• Water sulfate concentration as high as 5,000 ppm have been reported in some
studies
• Excess sulfur may impair animal performance by reducing the availability and
absorption of other minerals

Source: Provided by Lazy J

You see my friend you have proven nothing as your very own souse is saying exactly what I am saying.
FACT! Corn gluten is TOXIC! CASE CLOSED!
Now the question is: How do you feed it safely?

I support it’s social, nutritional and economical value but that is not the issue here, the issue is the safety of my animal! And I will not feed it untill all my question are answered to my satisfaction.
Now are there any other takes who want to attempt to answer my questions that the so called experts in corn gluten have not?
Now,
Q. If I want to grind just hay and corn gluten only as a supplemental feed stock what is the safe ratio, or lb to lb mix that I can safely feed? Forget about the nutrition value as I have my own lab, lab tech and equipment.
Please quote your source.
Now that shouldn’t be all that hard to answer.
OT

PS. I don’t respond to or judge people for their personal attacks----------------------- I leave that to the other members and viewers.
I’m sure your performance on this stage would make Dr. Shurson proud to be associated with you.
Have a nice night!

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Originally Posted by oldtimer (Post 4806041)

Source: Provided by Lazy J

You see my friend you have proven nothing as your very own souse is saying exactly what I am saying.
FACT! Corn gluten is TOXIC! CASE CLOSED!

How do you get "Toxic" from the quote you provided. I'm done, I leave you to your axe grinding. I will now spend some time helping my producers save money by using DDGS in their rations.

FYI,

Quote:

British sugar refiner Tate & Lyle PLC says it won't restart construction of an ethanol plant in Fort Dodge, Iowa in the foreseeable future.
Tate & Lyle, which also produces bulk ingredients, said Thursday that it had written off a loss of 217 million pounds ($316 million) on the project.
Work on the plant has been suspended since March of last year.
Tate & Lyle says its decision was based on the depressed and volatile outlook for ethanol and uncertain conditions in industrial starch and corn gluten feed markets.

Source: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan.../D9FV4EC81.htm
Geee? I wonder exactly what those “uncertain conditions” are that would cause them to write off $316 mill? Anyone care to venture a guess?
OT

FYI:

Quote:

Hansen, who is researching DDGS in cattle diets, says they already comprise about 20 to 30 percent of many feedlot cattle diets. Last year, when corn prices were increasing and DDGS prices were still low, that percentage went up to as much as 40 percent or more, she said. Producers don't use more of this low-cost supplement due to its sulfur content. Too much sulfur in a bovine diet can be toxic.

"The problem in cattle is that DDGS have a lot of sulfur in them because ethanol producers use sulfuric acid in processing ethanol," she said. "We are looking into how much we can get into the diet without running into problems."

Source: Iowa State university
http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/jan/PersiaHansen

As I said before, is it no wonder that they have to feed antibiotic like I eat M & Ms and ( have ) a mortality rate that would knock your socks off.
I wonder how many of all those sick and dead animal were Eastern Livestock LLC animals??
OT

Well folks , I made my case.
Now do you/ would you feel safe in feeding corn gluten?
OT

Summary: Heifer body conditions score and calf birth weights were similar for both treatments and there
were no differences in calving ease of calf vigor scores. These results suggest that in limit fed situations
DDGS and SBH can both be supplemented at 40% of the ration with no negative affects on cow
performance, calf birth weight, or calving difficulty.

Summary: Small and inconsistent differences in performance and the lack of differences in body condition
between treatments suggest that DDGS can replace an oilseed meal in protein supplements without affecting
animal performance. Supplementing DDGS as a sole protein source for cows consuming poor-quality
forage is a viable management alternative for producers.

Summary: In both trials there were no differences in cow ADG, milk production or calf ADG when using
CGF or DDGS. Limit-feeding lactating, beef cows CGF and DDGS is an alternative to feeding full-feed
hay rations. Limit-feeding CGF and DDGS with either limit-fed ground corn stalks or limit-fed corn
shucklage resulted in acceptable performance and lactation.

Implications
Using distillers byproducts can stretch corn stalk grazing days. This may be a more economical method of feeding cows in the early winter period. This project successfully demonstrated that distillers can be used to supplement grazing cows to meet their protein and energy needs.

In the current study, utilizing DDG
as a source of protein and energy in heifer development
diets to promote moderate gains did not influence age
at puberty but enhanced AI conception and pregnancy
rates compared with an isocaloric supplement.

Implications
Corn gluten feed and dried distillers grains seem to
be effective energy and protein sources in high-grain
diets limit-fed to heifers.

The results of our study showed that coproducts
of ethanol production, of either corn
or grain sorghum origin, can be used in a
management system for growing cattle grazing
on medium- to low-quality forage.

J,
It’s time to call it a day!
Go read “How to make a small fortune in cattle!” and cheer up!
OT

read the whole report they stoped that one but opened 2 others

Blog: Green Fields: Agriculture and Alternative Energy Tate & Lyle scraps Fort Dodge ethanol plant
Blog post by Dan Piller • dpiller@desmoine.gannett.com • May 27, 2010

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British grain processor Tate & Lyle has scrapped plans to complete its 100 million gallon ethanol production plant at Fort Dodge.

The plant has sat half-completed since Tate & Lyle suspended construction last year amidst a downturn in the ethanol business. Tate & Lyle hasn’t said what it will do with the uncompleted facility or the land.

The plant is located west of Fort Dodge along Iowa Highway 7. It sits directly west of the Valero Energy ethanol plant.

“The continued depressed and volatile outlook for ethanol, and uncertain conditions in industrial starch and corn gluten feed markets, do not provide any basis to complete and commission the plant,” Tate & Lyle said in a statement.

The company made the announcement while reporting a 77 percent drop in net income for its latest fiscal year.

While Tate & Lyle stopped work on its plant last year two other facilities, in New Hampton and Grand Junction, were opened in 2009. The ethanol industry pulled out of a slump in the first half of last year and generally reported profits in the latter part of last year.

Ethanol margins have narrowed again in recent weeks due to a slump in overall demand for gasoline.

A more significant problem is the so-called “blend wall” as ethanol use nationwide reaches its saturation point. At present no more than 10 percent ethanol can be blended into unleaded gasoline. With gasoline usage estimated at 130 billion gallons this year and ethanol production expected to top 12 billion, the industry is nearing its capacity.

Ethanol makers have petitioned the Environmental Protection Agency to raise the blend limit to 15 percent, which would add another potential 7 billion gallons of demand in the U.S. market. The EPA is expected to decide by August, although it could limit the expanded blend to newer model vehicles.