please help, are they too skinny??

She's been feeding them but took the owners word for it that they needed nothing but hay, thus no minerals or worming have been done. Now that she realizes the facts of the matter she's willing to do what they need as long as she has them.

I'm not to be harsh or accusatory because I have been in this situation before and I know the emotional toll it can take. Just trying to drive the point home to you. But it seems like you are dragging your feet and waiting for someone to tell you the advise that you want to hear. There is no good ending to this story so you have to buck up and get moving because those animals don't have any control over their situation but you do.

Your average sheriff has no idea about the law surrounding livestock and boarding agreements, that's why he's telling you there's nothing you can do because he has no idea what to do. Contact your brand inspector/ag extension office now! Don't keep dragging your feet I know your trying to be compassionate to these animals but its not fair for you to keep putting money into them and its not fair for them to continue going without that mama cow really needs groceries because with a calf her condition will just continue to deteriorate. You could in fact be charged with animal neglect(I know its messed up) because the animals are under your care and if reported by her or a third party animal control will be after you.

Contact animal control and let them know whats going on. Not only will you have them on your side if anything arises, they may have a livestock department and can take the animals off your hands, they have the lawyers and skills to get animals awarded to them and taken out of her inept care. If they can't help you find a local livestock rescue and see if they can take them.

DOCUMENT EVEYTHING! every time she calls sends you an email, anytime you call her write it down, the date what you did and what became of it. Documentation is vital in court cases it could quite easily save your a**. Good luck and I hope you don't take offense I just don't want you to have to deal with the same pile of sh*t that I have been through.

I want to emphasize the point that was brought up about the bulls.

And by the way, if you're still reading, while you're sorting all this out, stay away from the bulls, or carry a pitchfork/gun if you must be near them. Not many animals more dangerous than a Jersey bull with horns. I didn't used to fully believe this until a bull I sold almost killed someone.

I'd be more worried about getting killed than in getting some money.

Someone in DH's family was killed by a Jersey bull, so please listen to this advice. Better safe than sorry.

Cindy

Critterluv, can you load them up and return them?

Just wondering.

Perhaps you can say"Acccept them or agree to having them sold"?

I am way out of my legue here because I own no cattle. It is just a thought that I had.

Critterluv, please take this from someone who was played like a full string orchestra in the same manner you are, FOLLOW EVERYONES ADVICE HERE AND GET THEM TO THE SALE BARN, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the very SAME song and dance I got from a friend last year with his cattle, horses, and sheep. The reason they make money from it is because they are putting NO MONEY into it, will at the VERY last minute come and get them from you, and then do exactly what everyone here is telling you to do. THEY WILL TAKE THEM TO THE SALE BARN!! But having no money sank into them, it has been all yours, they make the profit. No matter how little or how much they go for at the sale barn, they're out NOTHING!! Once they pick them up, you have NO LEVERAGE what so ever. Suing after the fact will get you laughed out of court, another lesson learned here. The judge will want to see a written agreement where they agreed to re-imburse you ANYTHING for your trouble. Since you were doing this out of the kindness of your heart, you have nothing. I know you haven't stated this, but I can bet my life on it, because you are in the SAME situation I was in and are making the SAME mistakes I made!! CONTACT THE LOCAL SHERRIFF OR BRAND INSPECTOR NOW!!!! As someone stated earlier, SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER WITH A DATE FOR RE-IMBURSEMENT AND NOTICE OF SALE!!! This sounds cold and callous, but read what you have written so far, just what YOU have written. Have you been getting any respect or kindness in return? NO YOU HAVE NOT!!! So return the favor. If you don't, you will get BURNED in EVERY sense of the word! Sorry, but this makes me fighting mad!! The mite story, the worming story, the money order story (Let me guess, its in the mail!), and those being bulls that have sired ANYTHING story are all 100% LIES, LIES, LIES. Just in case you missed my point, this lady is a LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!! critterluv, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, AND PLEASE, listen to everyone hear. We have no vested interest in lying to you, and are ALL members here because we want to HELP others such as ourselves. AND THIS IS JUST LIKE WHEN I GOT SCREWED!!! I am in HUGE financial straits STILL because of this and DO NOT want to see anyone else done the same way. Let us know what you decide to do. Good luck and PLEASE HEED THE ADVICE HERE FROM EVERYONE!!!

Sorry did not know this thread was still going or that a new thread was started.

I came here to ask becouse I do care about them, I dont want to see anything starve. I came here for the advise you all could offer. As I said All my other critters are just fine. I just tryed too help someone out and got myself into a mess.

I did call the sheriff, he said nothing he could do, I called animal controle, nothing he can do. I called the AG commisioner he said nothing he can do. they all just said get a lawyer. I went up to the courthouse today to try and get a lein on them so I could sell them. LAdy there did not know what to do, said she had never done one on livestock but she made a few calls and put me on the phone with the county commisioner. He talked to me awhile and i think he really is willing to help me out. SAid to call him back on WEd. HE is going to call K-State to talk to someone there about livestock and the laws to see what I can do.

I did get some protien blocks today. Did not get the wormer yet as I did not have enough money but I get paid on Fri so will get it then. But I watched while and no one had noticable worms in their poo anyway. Im thinking it is probly just the mineral thing. I appreciate all the advise you all have given me and I hope to have this situation fixed soon.

I have been wanting to get some cows for awhile but I assure u before I get my own I will do my homework for their needs and requirments. She was soposed to be coming out and helping with them doing any care they needed, all I was soposed to do was get the hay bales and fill their water tank. It was just kinda an all of a suden thing, happend so fast.

I will update yall Wed with what he says

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Been their done that, no one can do nothing, not at a thing except for you, My advice is to you, to take care of the cattle give them the proper nourishment keep all receipts, call the vet get a certified statement what the cattle need, take it to your district attny tell him the situation, that you dont have money to feed someone else's cattle and you got to sell them or she got to pay you to take up for them, the DA is the chief law enforcement in the county and his advice will stick, attny or not, Good Luck on what you do. Oh and Happy New Year.

Had a similiar situation happen to me 10 years ago. A family dropped a horse off "for a week while they went to Arizona on a construction job" and it turned into 7 months. I kept it in fit condition and fed it well while constantly trying to locate them. After month number 8 I sold the horse to a horse trader to try and recoop some of my costs. The owner coincidintally showed up the next day wanting the money from the sale of the horse.

Fortunately, I had went to the vet and gotten him to write out a note stating that the horse was in my care and it stated how much feed and wormer I was using. The owner had the choice, he could pay for the feed and wormer and get his money for the sale or walk away. He chose to walk away. It's kinda funny though. He had the backbone to say as he was leaving, "I can't believe you actually sold the horse."

I found out later he actually had been to Arizona for a week and had been back in town the whole time. He was just free-loading some horsecare.

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Livestock have been known to drive them selves to the sale barn and sell their selves in their owners name. Knowledge of state laws are important before doing something like this.

Find out how long your going to have to hold them in your possession before worming them. You don't want to find out you could sell them next week after you gave a wormer with a 30 day withdrawal period.

Lack of worms in the manure has NOTHING to do weather or not there are worms in the critter.

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Critterluv, I just want to say I admire what you're doing. No question in my mind you are making good effort to do what's best. Just need more information.

Different animals have different nutritional needs. A mature horse, not pregnant or nursing or growing or working can get along with poor hay, but a cow that is nursing needs much more. If the hay is low in protein and energy, they can't eat enough to get what they need. The protein blocks help, but you might find some grain for her.

I find it interesting that the sheriff can't help you. I wonder what he'd do if they happened to be running loose through town? I'm sure that somehow he'd find a cowboy to load them up, and they would eventually sell them if nobody claimed them. These are essentially stray cattle and you are temporarily holding them. Maybe somehow they need to get loose, you can call the sheriff, and tell them who the owner is. Then deny any claim the owner makes against you.

Don't talk your way out of worming them from this rationale. Worms aren't normally visible in cow manure with the naked eye. They need worming. The cow may die if she isn't wormed soon. Wormer should've been bought before the protein tub. Extra/better feed don't help much when their guts are filled with piles of worms scarfing up every bit of nutrition they can get.