please help, are they too skinny??

Sorry to belabor this, but are you absolutely positive these are bulls? If a burdizo (bloodless casterator) was used they would still have a small set of cajones. Do you have any pics from the appropriate angle?

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Pictures of yearling heifers

Look at this thread. This is what a jersey bull looks like. I know yours are thin but the heads are way to feminine.

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The "bulls" look to be neutered and they appear in dire need to be wormed. The beef cow needs feed. You are also wasting hay with the manner it is being fed. A 900# bale can be consumed by a 1000# bovine in a months time.

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Thanks agman, I was hoping that someone else would chime in on this.

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Ok the bull with the white legs is I think she said 3yrs and he is the sire of the calf, the other 2 are 2yrs nd yes they have their parts, I can get pics of them parts tomorrow. They are bulls.

She has them becouse she said she can make money on them, if she aises them up from bottle babies she can 1500-2000 for them at 2 when they are breeding age? thats what she tells me becouse ranchers by them to use on their first year heifers. I duno. The one with wite is the bull she is keeping since he is reg and her haifer was reg. I still dont know why u need to keep a bull for 2 heifers, isent like 25 bucks or so to AI them? Anyway thats her story.

Soposedly these 2 younger bulls are sold and she is just waiting for the guy to set a pick up date for them both. Does not make a lot of sence to me to pay that much for an unreg unproven jersey bull but I think its BS.

Other than that I have no idea why she has 3 bulls

"Oh and Jersey bls are very freindly you wount have any problems with them"

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she is feeding you a lot of BS, call the law and get them removed, she is playing you like a fiddle and it wont get any better, cut ties now and be done with it, the whole bit about bottle baby bulls bringing that much is a line if i ever heard one,

call the law, take them to the sale barn and keep the proceeds, possession is 9/10ths the law still isnt it?

I agree!!!!!

If she is not providing the funds to feed them whe has abandoned them. Ship them to the sale barn and get rid of this headache!!!!

Jim

What a load of bull......she doesn't know what she is talking about. Don't waste money on a wormer block, get the pour-on. Jersey bulls can and will get mean. At this point I wouldn't worry about lice, especially as these cows seem to be living outside, that is highly unlikely to be the problem. And the only cow the salebarns around here turn away are cows that can't walk. I've seen cows much thinner than these go through the barns.
Don't let her guilt-trip you.....she is the guilty one for leaving them there.
By the way.....if she knows where she can get $1500-$2000 for Jersey bulls that look like *those*.....give me the contact info! Mine ought to be worth AT LEAST $5000 to that market.

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By the way, this is a two-year old Jersey bull, so you can see why we thought these looked more like steers.

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I'd ship them as soon as the money order arrived.

Lol I'd probably keep one of the bulls, castrate him and fatten him up for butcher.
I've been hungering for some sweet jersey beef lately

Now we get more of the story . Just send a regestered letter and have them picked up in one week and if not take them to the sales barn and be done with the project . This project is will have a hard time to finish with everyone happy .Just have her pick them up or sell them it is all over neither party has trust in each other .

don't know what area you live in so here's advice based on colorado law.

do not take them to the sale barn with out a brand inspectors permission, you can be charged with felony theft. do not use your name on the sale barn paperwork--brand, COOL, or commision---once again a felony.

as long as an animal can walk in the doors on its own power, the sale barn will sell it and someone will buy it.

good luck and hope it works out ok.

Thanks everyone, My husband said give her till the 2nd so thats what I told. I starat back to school on the 6th and mu husband would have to do chores and refuses to do hers. So hopefully she can take them. If not Im calling the brand inspector and asking what my ptions are to get these horses and cattle out of here. Thanks to everyone.

And yes now I understand what a 2yr bull is soposed to look like.

The part that ----es me off the most is that these bulls are not even quite this weight as they were when they got here and now all of a sudden she agrees they are "way to skinny" uuhhhggg. I thought for sure she would say they were fine. The beef cow is the one that has lost all the weight. I did not think they were soposed to be that skinny but thinking of dairy cows I did not complain too much.

Guess I learned my lesson huh.

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Does she still owe you money? If so I'd keep one of the bulls for meat like I mentioned above. Castrated of course. Jersey meat is the best.

Well let the floggin begin.
He is my opinion. They do need worming. Forget teh permictian dust. Even the cheaper generic Ivemec pour on is better then that crap.The 3 bulls look ok for jerseys just needing de wormed. You can see they have hay guts. This shows they have not been on pasture much just feed alot of dry hay and nothing else. The cows is on the rough side. Same story as the bulls all hay and no pasture all summer I would expect.
Here is where I get bent. I am just geussing here. I would have to say the owner is one of the types that should never own animals period. You never explained why she has you taking care of them just that their there. I might assume she has not the place nor the means to keep then where she lives.
I would send her a letter like others said. But, I would put in this letter that on such date with no exceptions that you will be keeping one bull for yourself to butcher, the cow and calf to further keep you in beef anf the other 2 bulls to market. Then her precious 9 horses are going to the local sale and tossed in to the kill pen there. That should get her attention. Yes they still do butcher horses. If your near amish country its not hard to find the butcher market. People like the owner give farms and homesteading folks a bad name.
If at all else keep the cattle and give the horse to someone else. What the horse market is around here just one of them bulls is worth more then all 9 horses.
Bob

Ok I did not post the story becouse i was just tring to figure what to do with these cows. but since it seems everyoe is curious i will give a run down.

The Owner had a farm with a 40 acre pasture, I only got pits and pieces of the story but basicaly the story goes her mom was buying the farm from anouther guy, that guy passed away and the kids came in and kicked them off the farm so they could sell it, I dont know what kind of contract or anything but they had been living there for like 20 yrs now and had 40000 invested into this farm. She had 1 week to remove the animals and asked if she brought pens for them if I could care for them for a couple months. I told her that was fine but they could not stay for the winter. This happend in June, Untile Oct I got all money up fron begining of the month and there was no problems, then she started sending less and less.

She is geting up there in years and she has a lot of health problems, in and out of the hospital. I know the horses were race horses, some of them ahad been raced at one time but they are older now. I think she is just not ready to give up and through in the towl. But IMHO she needs to. I have been tryig to be as nice as posible but its geting rediculous.

I know she tells me she sueing and hopes they settle for the pasture at least otherwise it will be a long drawn out process maybe years before she sees a settlement. I dunno, I feel bad for her but Im done. at this point today she is behind 480$

I like the idea of keeping the cows but I also dont want to get swed, dont think I have not thought about selling 2 bulls and butchering the other and keeping the cow/calf..lol. Of course I have a lot to learn first. I hate the idea of sending any horses to the meat pen but there is always an add i the paper "buying all classses of horses" Im about ready to call that number.

I just want to make sure I do this legally so I dont end up geting sued. If she sends the money and ends up geting them by the 2nd Id be surprised.

When I buy my hay I just pay for it all and mark on a paper how many were hers, now Im told I needed to keep seperet reciepts for mine and hers and I never did that. Otherwise she could say she does not owe that money or that I was not feeding them.

Think Im going to have to talk to a lawyer. I dunno Im just so frustrated.

I was also told that I could get a lean on them and then sell them, keep what she owes then send the rest of the money back to her.

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Unless you agreed to keep these animals for her, you need to get a backbone and tell her that these animals are going to the sale barn, next week. If she wants them she better come get them, now. If you don't want to do that, then pony up the money and feed her animals for her, for nothing, but start feeding them. they don'e deserve to starve because she doesn't want to take care of them. they ain't worth much money and she's telling you a big load of bull about what they are worth. Get out now!!! After reading your last post, I'd say to send her a certified letter, stating how much she now owes you and that you intend to sell the animals for what you are owed and you will pay her the overage. Call your local sheriff and find out if you have to post in the local paper that you are going to sell them for money owed to you. You can do this, it's legal and she needs to get over her illusions of being a cattle baroness.
P.J.

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Thats why I came here and asked for advise, I have been feeding them out of my own pocket. I dont know cattle well as I have never had any and the horses are doing very well on the same hay. I know there is some problem thats why I came here to ask. I a willing to give them what they need till they are gone. Maybe I took it wrong but it almost sounds like you are saying im not feeding them nor care too.

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Just talked to the deputy and he said nothing they can do, i have to get a lawyer couse its a civil matter and i cant sell them becouse i dont own them!

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