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Old 12/09/07, 09:12 AM
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The bulls we normally use for clean up (once every five-ten years or so) are coming from other herds the hauler hauls for. He knows the herds and picks one out for us.

With this case....well, the sale barn is less than a mile West of us and we are the first farm those animals hit when they head this direction.
We end up with animals from the sale barn on a fairly regular basis (as in one every couple years or so). There is no way to avoid it really. Had a buck two winters ago that settled two of my does.
We've had bulls in the past, but usually it is cows or calves.

The people at the Sale Barn are good about coming out pretty quickly if it was an animal from there.
With this bull, his owner never claimed him and as far as the people at the sale barn knew no animals had escaped....He had escaped while being unloaded from what I understand.

He wasn't ours to kill. We'd rather not deal with the repurcussions of killing someone else's animal...This assumes, of course, we have guns on the property, which we do not.
It wasn't until about two to three weeks ago that I found out he did actually come from the sale barn. The woman at the Co-Op asked if we still had him around. She had heard an individual saying he had heard the guy who had lost that bull talking. We put signs up and alerted the people who would know.

At any rate, they are bred, he had no STDs (though that was a big concern) and now he will move on.

Once we put those signs up, if he had gone on somewhere else and done damage (we are located in the town limits and have 40+ fencerow neighbors) how much do you want to bet we would have been blamed?

Life is what it is. This is what has happened and this is what will continue to happen as long as there is a sale barn situated that close and people worried about making any claims on animals that get loose from the sale barn.

Our animals are vaccinated. We have too many deer for them not to be. The deer pose more of a threat than these animals do. They are a constant here and we have no control over them since they belong to the King (government).

That heifer took a tranquilizer gun to finally catch her. We tried for over a month to lure her into the Pole Barn with our heifer/dry cow herd. She was nuts! She had escaped while being loaded after being purchased.

Our farm is not set up for crazy beef animals (which are usually what escapes from sale barns). We work Jerseys and Jersey/Norwegian Reds. Most of the perimeter fencing is one or two strand barbed wire. Some areas are high tensil (5 strand), some areas are now being converted to woven wire due to the goats and some areas are multiflora rose...There may be a fence buried in there but it isn't that likely. Cross fencing is one strand electric poly wire...
We use cattle panels tied together with twine to work animals. We are not set up to work beef animals so it is best if we are left to work them ourselves and not have a bunch of strangers in chasing our animals around.
Dad has figured out to get this bull and load him come Tuesday morning. This bull isn't nuts. He's just young.
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Old 12/09/07, 11:33 AM
 
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The Deer are Worse than the Strays

DTHM: No question that the deer are not a plus; they can carry bangs.

In your situation I can see that strays are going to be a problem. I do not envy you with your neighbor situation, and had the bull crossed into one of those neighbor's properties, yes you would have been blamed.

I have had the same problem with wild cattle. When we first came out here from town I had no fences, had to build. No cattle, so bought from locals. Fellow told me about a neighbor who had three heifers to sell, nice looking limousins, one a fine big yearling. Went to look, bought them with the understanding that the owner would deliver when he "had time to pen them".

When he pulled up in his trailer you would have thought he had a cage of lions. One of the calves was up in the headache area of his 5th wheeler. One was bouncing off the walls and the third was combative. One at a time I put a loop on them, tied them to my tractor and dragged them out to the middle of the trap, threw them and put on halters. One of them tried to kick my head off in the process. They never tamed. I got them to the point that they would take cubes out of my hand but if I tried to work them they'd try to climb out of the chute. I got three calves each out of them before I decided they were too much trouble to keep around. In contrast, my angus can be handled with a bucket of cubes.
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Most are savvy enough to just stand and wait when the headgate drops.

Of course I knew by the time I sold them that they were mine because the owner could not pen them when he went to load his calves for sale.
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Old 12/09/07, 11:38 AM
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In contrast, my angus can be handled with a bucket of cubes.
That's my experience with angus. Calm and obedient. Very easy to train.
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Old 12/15/07, 09:15 PM
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I am a little confused. Don't you all have brand laws in ohio?==think that is where you are from.

Here in CO we all brand our cattle and we know all of our neighbor's brands and if we ever get a stray in that we don't recognize than we call the brand inspector who will come out and identify and contact the owner.

guess i will have to look up the law for ohio; you all must be different.
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Old 12/15/07, 09:52 PM
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WOW! I really have never heard of a brand law! I guess ear tags are good for the kings of the land! (Guess who! ) I have only seen a brand once and that was a freeze brand on a horse Wow what a shock!
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Old 12/15/07, 10:57 PM
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We are required to have cattle brand inspected prior to sale, slaughter, transporting out of state or transporting more than 75 miles from the home ranch. Personally I wouldn't want it any other way.

Ear tags may be helpful in certain circumstances to help with identification to the owner, but they are useless if they are not permanent, and they definitely are not permanent. Ear tags are also not easily identifiable (in the pasture) like brands are.

here is a link about brands and laws: http://www.cowboyshowcase.com/brands.htm
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East of the Missouri River have no brand inspectors or brand requirements.
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Old 12/16/07, 02:54 PM
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Nope, no brand laws.
The lack of ear tags is how we knew he didn't belong to either of our beef neighors...that and we contacted the beef farmers around us.
Our dairy cattle have tattoos.

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