Loophole: How to sell raw milk

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I have thought about having neighbors give me a hand with chores, and if some milk dissappears, I dont know anything about it.

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I remember reading about the incedent way back .. and I do know everyone is upset ... serious fines etc was my understanding for some reason (and my memory isnt so good ) i was under the impression that the first incdent was down in Kidron area .. well Holmes county at least, i missed the fact it was the Middlefield community .. maybe the more recent was down in holmes...
yes I do live with in an hours drive of middlefield ... and have fellow cattle breeders who's home fair is geauga..my vet is fair vet there as well, at least for the food animals .....
I belong to to many organiztions as it is .. and saddly don't have the time to get to all the meetings for teh ones i do belong to ... my biggest thing is to get to as many township meetings as I can (and thats not as many as I would like ) to keep the trustees from causing trouble for the area farmers .. (namely me ....

I havent sold milk in years... it used to be goat milk when i did , for pets .. what you did with it was your concern .. bring your own jugs

I really see raw milk being an issue in custody battles , and children services issues.. ie) endangering , in the not so distant future.

I ran into problems 17 years ago when my youngest was born .. i had switched pediatricions .. my older two went to my pediatrition who retired from practice at the young age of 97 ! the new one was a DO .. and came highlay recomended ... but at the first office visit (1 week ) of my then newborn daughter .. and I admitted that she was getting goatsmilk when asked what brand of formula I was using .. I was seriously upbraided for doing so and was told goat milk was for baby goats !! .. my retort was: so soybean milk is for baby soybeans .. picked my daughter up and walked out ... never went back
You know i wasnt an 18 year old new mother I was thirty three years old raised 5 other children 2 of wich were mine .. I wasnt ahint the door when brains were passed out .. knew to pasturize for infants .. been doing it for many years .. just because I prefered to drink it raw ... sheese what kind of idiot did that doctor think I was ?.. ohh well it was long ago ... but was suprised at the time I wasnt reported to children services .....

Its a matter of dairy conglomerations trouncing out any and all competition
usuing health as a scare tactic..with government backing, not that health is not a major concern .. absolutly it is , but so is liability if you become accused as the source for some ones illness let alone the legal ramifications
And in this day and age of food born illness scares I think restrictions are going to be more forcefully upheld ... and that bodes ill for all of us who just want to produce our own food for our families and neighbors .

Paula
Hyde park farm

That is what happens at one dairy farm here--- the "helping neighbors" are four Amish and two English-- and about 10 gallons just don't seem to make it from the bulk tank to the truck on a daily basis.( I think there must be a leak sumplace )... No money changes hands at all-- the "hrelpful" neighbors also get "free" excavation, hay, transport, etc-- it all works out....

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In PA you can get a raw milk sale license . They test your milk three times if it's totally clean each time you can apply. You can only sell off farm. If you provide containers you must have a bottling setup. If not you just sell as you fill.

"You can only sell off farm. If you provide containers you must have a bottling setup. If not you just sell as you fill."

Does off farm mean only on the farm (customers come to you) or you cannot sell on the farm?

Personally the liability potential would be a severe drawback. If e-coli were found in the milk you sold it just gives people a chance to sue you. May come down to the question of if it came from the container or the milk. The chance to lose everything you have worked for is there - like it or not.

Seems like there was a case in the Pacific Northwest were bad raw milk, which make several people very ill, was traced back to a producer. Seems like there were a couple of lawsuits going on it. Anyone remember this?

before we got our place we used to go to a small dairy and we would just bring our gallon jug and go draw off the milk from the tank, use the hose to wash down any drops and leave 2$ in a cup. The biggest thing here is if someone gets sick, the Drs report and that is how someone would get charged. I think mostly Dept. of Agra. are understaffed....but it is the principle of it: that they could ruin you if they took the notion.

I sell goat milk easy. Just tell others you have goats/cows and you have milk. They then tell others and they come to you. I don't know if they drink it, and they just asked if I had milk for sale. I NEVER KNEW THEY DRANK IT! (well I do but if some one asks I sell it not knowing what they do it.)

Interesting info.

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A dairy in the area labels the milk "Not for Human Consumption" and sells it as pet food only. What people do with it, he says, is not his business.

I don't know if that would hold up legally either!

donsgal

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Maybe it's time we have another Tea Party...

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Terry

Living in the present is staying ahead of the past.

If the admission of the nutritional value of raw milk was released to the public, then consumers might realize that they are getting the short end of the stick in supermarket milk and all demand (organic) raw milk. That would turn the industry/officials on their heads.

Peasants must think like we are suggested to think - Raw milk is BAD for me and mercury fillings in my head, public water, prescription drugs, hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, BHT, MSG, aspartame, saccharin, growth hormones, GMOs, etc. are NOT bad for me because the government said so. And they tell me again and again... They wouldn't allow all those things in our food supply/bodies if they were bad for me. They make laws to PROTECT me. What would I do without the government???

Too much milk from a family cow? Milk a crossbred. I can think of lots of positive reasons. eta: I mean a dairyXbeef cow.

"A dairy in the area labels the milk "Not for Human Consumption" and sells it as pet food only. What people do with it, he says, is not his business."

Again, my understanding is some states have regulations concerning manufacturing pet food. Their state may have none which apply, or the dairy is in compliance with them if they exist.

From the realmilk site a few months ago we realized that we could sell raw milk, on farm only, no advertising at all, as long as we have a maximum of 3 lactating cows and 9 lactating goats. Right now we are selling raw goat milk for $5 a half gallon and hope to add raw cow milk, once we get the cow at least! We live in Oregon, btw.

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Morningstar:

What regulations come along with that. For example, do you have to milk in a separate, dedicated, milk parlor? Must the milk be refrigerated? Must customers bring their own containers? Are you required to put on a label with say your farm name and location and date of bottling or best-if-use-by date?

I just had to pipe in and say: Good for him!!! And anyone else who does this!!

In WI the cow share thing was shot down and I believe they have to buy shares in the whole farm, and even that is under fire.

I would never sell raw milk to people that bring in their own containers unless I knew them personally and knew they understood cleanliness.
I don't think I would sell it at all unless I knew the people personally anyway.

Hi Ken,

So far we can barely keep up with people from my BIL's work (he works for a wholesale organic produce company). We haven't actually dealt with any strangers as of yet. I haven't charged a deposit on my canning jars because they always come back to me and my BIL sees them everyday if they don't.

I don't know anybody else that sells raw goat milk but I know 2 people that sell raw cows milk (both have a waiting list) and I believe they both do charge a deposit for their canning jars. I've bough milk from one of them and it didn't have a label of any kind. I am actually contacting the other one this week to see if we can get some raw cows milk for our household. One did try to advertise in the paper once and did get in trouble for that. As far as I know there aren't any other restrictions. Below is the copy/paste from the realmilk site for Oregon.

Our hope is to do a "friday at the farm" day every week that we could sell milk, cheese, bread, eggs, produce, canned items, ect. We are still researching that though.


<<Oregon
Raw goat or sheep milk sales are legal on the farm and in retail stores. No permit is necessary for farmers with no more than nine producing goats and nine producing sheep who sell the milk on the farm directly to the consumer. Raw cow milk sales are illegal except for on-farm sales where the farmer has no more than three producing cows on the premises. The state prohibits advertising for on-farm sales.

Farmers producing raw goat or sheep milk can sell in retail stores if they obtain a producer-distributor license and have their own bottling plant on site. Licensees can sell goat or sheep milk products such as butter, cream, yogurt, and cheese as well. There is one licensed goat milk farmer in the state at the present time.>>

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