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Old 11/07/06, 07:58 AM
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chamoisee summed it up nicely, and one thing I would like to add. Too many people give up too easily now adays. An animal that takes more services than the norm, does not mean she is low on fertility. The other possibility while breeding, is the aggressiveness of the breeder, perhaps he is knocking the egg out of her repro tract (it has happened). Many many things could be the reason, if we all knew why, we would have 100% CR.



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Old 11/07/06, 12:06 PM
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So running them with a bull works better than AI? Is it because he is better able to guess her "heat" than we are?
The cow controls when a bull breeds her. She will not stand still for him if she is not in heat. The #1 reason a bull can settle a cow better than AI is semen count.
You can breed many cows with AI from one (what is the word I am looking for here???) lets just say time with a bull.

I agree with Heather.
Put her with a bull for a couple of months and if she does not breed make hambuger out of her.
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Old 11/07/06, 09:41 PM
 
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Thanks so much everyone, I learned a lot! We are going to run her with a bull and have decided not to give up.

This is a fabulous board!
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Old 11/08/06, 08:52 AM
 
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The cow controls when a bull breeds her. She will not stand still for him if she is not in heat. The #1 reason a bull can settle a cow better than AI is semen count.
You can breed many cows with AI from one (what is the word I am looking for here???) lets just say time with a bull.

I agree with Heather.
Put her with a bull for a couple of months and if she does not breed make hambuger out of her.
I think the word you are looking for is "volume"..........LOL
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Old 11/08/06, 12:41 PM
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Keep us updated. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. I'll send some fertile thoughts your way too. LOL

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Old 11/10/06, 11:23 AM
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I would run her with a bull for two or three heat cycles as well.
Has her reproductive health been checked by a vet? Is she cystic?
We have a heifer on her 6th or 7th AI, through little fault of her own. I am the one AIing afterall. (I just learned to AI last November and am still mastering the whole getting the gun through the cervix...though I have three calves on the ground so far with 3 more due that indicate it isn't a neccesity..lol) For that matter, I have a large number of animals recycling after breeding. Quite discouraging actually.
This past summer, in our area at least, only about 10% of breedings on most farms took. These are experienced breeders that still had horrible conception rates. This according to the vet.
The concern, as pointed out, is, if she is having trouble as a heifer, what does her reproductive future hold? Is she going to be a hard breeder every time?
We had a heifer who was cystic. She was AIed twice (couldn't catch as she was out of her mind). She then was run with a herd bull for 6 months or so. He corrected her cystic issues and settled her his very last day here. She calved Christmas Eve of this past year and I settled her first service AI this lactation. She's due in January.
We had a cow who would take about 8 or 9 AIs to take, but put her with a bull and she took first cycle. Her cycles were long and we just weren't nailing the timing. We've had others just like that.
There was a wonderful four year old cow at the school farm that was being culled because she would not take to AI. I knew her problem. Same as Loren..long cycles. I sold her, brought her home ran her with our herd bull and she took first time around (he was about 11 months old). She headed to her new home in Kansas. She calved at 12 months again this year and is already settled back. She's been bred naturally and takes first service. First time was AI.

Each cow is different and you need to figure out what you are willing to do.
We don't jump to drugs but we don't throw the baby out with the bath water either.
Our heifers are AIed when we can and every couple of years we run a clean up bull to catch the ones that don't take. Everything 4+ that is open is then beefed.
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Old 11/10/06, 11:36 AM
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The nice things about Jerseys is their overall lack of calving issues. I have read that their pelvises are built differently and shift during calving to allow the passage of calves that would cause other breeds issues.




I read a study at some point that pointed towards using synching programs (OviSynch was the one fingered in this case) alongside the use of Posilac (not sure why except that a cow producing well doesn't get back into breeding condition as quick as normal) that said there were a lot more twin pregnancies occuring but that one twin is lost early on in the pregnancy and so freemartins are born as singles.
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